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Re: [AUDITORY] Silence from leaders in auditory science



Dear List,

I share Gunter's perspective, just wanted to add that young scientists might want to add Hong Kong to the list of places they should consider. It's about as far away from Trump as possible, and I can assure you from personal experience that both the working environment and the quality of life are excellent, with consistently high levels of funding for science and higher education, as well as plenty of academic freedom and civil liberties. (With the impending US TikTok ban, the HK internet will soon be among the least censored in the world, to give just one example). Singapore and Australia are also worth looking into. 

You can add to Gunter's succinct and as far as I can tell entirely accurate summary of the new administration's war on US institutions the fact that Trump is fatally undermining America's economic and technological leadership position. For example, America's trade deficits continued to increase greatly and China's progress in key technologies clearly accelerated since Trump kicked off his counterproductive trade wars in 2020, but facts have never mattered to Trump, so the fact that his policies demonstrably fail to achieve their aims does not diminish his zeal or that of his cult members. In the long run this will mean that the best resourced and technologically most advanced research institutes will increasingly not be in the US. To some extent this is already underway. I just recently visited a new scientific infrastructure building in Shenzhen that has the capacity to house 2000 primates and has 3 FMRI scanners, 1 PET scanner and 1 cyclotron in the basement. In pretty much all respects and in absolute and relative terms  the outlook for the US looks quite negative to me - and all of this, I should add, is entirely due to unforced errors created within the US political establishment. 

I am also very pessimistic about what carefully crafted and noble statements by distinguished members of our auditory neuroscience community can achieve. Donald and Elon certainly aren't going to pay any attention. And, as I put it to Perry in an off-list email, if the American public didn't listen to Taylor Swift in November, why would they listen to a few crusty hearing science professors now? If you are serious about wanting to bring about change in US politics, then letters by scientists, even if published in the NYT, are such a tiny drop in the bucket as to be a waste of time. You would need to get organised on a much bigger scale and reach well beyond the scientific community, across all the parts of US society that is upset about what is happening, and organise a US-wide general strike and mass rallies. Action on such a scale would of course require a huge amount of organisation and leadership. Chuck Schumer's recent supine and invertebrate approach to federal budget negotiations suggests that little help can be expected from the Dems. Still, either you do something that even Trump and the MAGA ideologs cannot ignore, or don't bother, give up on US politics and look for ways to minimize its impact on your own personal development. These are dark times, but there are still opportunities for those who are ready to look for them. 

Kind regards,

Jan

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Prof Jan Schnupp
Gerald Choa Neuroscience Institute
The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Sha Tin
Hong Kong


On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 at 17:58, Gunter Kreutz <gunter.kreutz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear list,

the brutal reality is that the US administration has declared war on its democratic institutions, the legal system, the media, the checks and balances system, social security, science and humanities, and above all it (and that is not Trump alone, but equally the "masterminds" of the heritage foundation) declared war on the values shared by the so-called free world. - Is this exaggerated?

Who could blame young US scientists to consider their future in Canada, Britain, the Far East, or in the EU?

Sorry for being off-topic. I wholeheartedly support and applaud to scientists standing up and rally, wherever there is need to do so. But it seems to happen in a strange atmosphere as it becomes evident that the protection of democratic rights is crumbling. And the country where this is happening is not a small republic on the Balkan.

Sorry also for having no suggestions for how to do better service to young researchers that getting rid of the current US admin ASAP. The whole world will hold its breath what the next US administration will look like and whether they will be able to restore the - in my view - inevitable brain drain that will hurt the US hearing sciences in the meantime, I am afraid. 

Slava Ukraine

Gunter











Am Di., 18. März 2025 um 05:29 Uhr schrieb Sarah Creel <000001009817b89f-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi Perry,

I'm so sorry that this is such a stressful time for all of us. It's hard enough starting out in science without the entire edifice crumbling around one's ears.

I think that what's going on right now is that there is a sense of science solidarity: scientists are fighting for scientists across the board, not just in auditory science. I've been to and seen lots of people at Stand Up for Science rallies across the country. People are pelting their elected representatives with demands not to silence science. I've also seen (and responded to) calls to write supportive notes to program officers, SROs, etc. at funding agencies who are currently under huge amounts of stress and anxiety. There is HUGE concern amongst all these groups about what this is going to do to the next generation of scientists.

One big way that more senior folks can help more junior folks is to do our best to make sure funding opportunities stay in place. Without that, the support web for PhDs is really not there. So I think a lot of people are focusing their energies on advocating for maintaining NIH and NSF.

I would love to see suggestions on Auditory list or other places for additional ways to advocate for junior scientists and for science generally.

Hang in there and please know that we want you here.
Sarah





On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 9:23 PM T. T. Perry <trevortperry@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Auditory List,

I'm a hearing scientist in America where science and s cientists are under extremely heavy attack, Orban style. Yet I've seen almost no statements from senior leaders in our field defending science and early career scientists. Perhaps I'm in a bubble and just haven't witnessed these statements myself.

Where are the leaders of our field and why are they so quiet? Does auditory science have a future in America? Are "mid" and "late stage" career people just looking to comply and save themselves? 

What have you heard lately?

Sincerely, 
Perry
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