Subject: Re: apologies From: Pierre Divenyi <pdivenyi(at)MARVA4.NCSC.MED.VA.GOV> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:17:58 -0700Dear Alain, Bruno, Christian and others, I happen to disagree with Bruno: apologizing always takes courage and Alain just showed us that he is a scientist of sufficient stature to give us proof of his courage. Than k you, Alain, in the name of all of those who, like me, expressed dislike (in private correspondence to me) of a scientific debate becoming personal. Christian', concerning your argument on the likelihood of the Titze model's applicability to musical pitch in speech, as a psychophysicist you must know that we don't perceive the extreme frequency as the pitch of an FM sweep. Depending on the rate of FM, it has been demonstrated by many (e.g., Nabelek et al. in the 70s) that the pitch is (a) uncertain and (b) its average value will be somewhere on the FM trajectory. So, proponents of musical speaking will have to come up with a different argument. Pierre Pierre L. Divenyi Speech and Hearing Research V.A. Medical Center Martinez, CA 94553 Phone: +1 (925) 370-6745 FAX: +1 (925) 228-5738 e-mail: pdivenyi(at)marva4.ebire.org