Subject: Re: Experiments with large N From: Robert Zatorre <robert.zatorre@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:42:14 -0500 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>Huge samples are very nice if you can get 'em, though such is not always the case, alas. So one thing that I would like to see from people who do have gigantic N is to do some analyses to determine at what point the data reach some asymptote. In other words, if you've collected 1,000,000 people, at what earlier point in your sampling could you have stopped, and come to the identical conclusions with valid statistics? Obviously, the answer to this question will be different for different types of studies with different types of variance and so forth. But having the large N allows one to perform this calculation, so that next time one does a similar study, one could reasonably stop after reaching a smaller and more manageable sample size. Has anybody already done this for those large samples that were recently discussed? It would be really helpful for those who cannot always collect such samples. Best Robert -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Robert J. Zatorre, Ph.D. Montreal Neurological Institute 3801 University St. Montreal, QC Canada H3A 2B4 phone: 1-514-398-8903 fax: 1-514-398-1338 e-mail: robert.zatorre@xxxxxxxx web site: www.zlab.mcgill.ca Malcolm Slaney wrote: > This music paper has 380k subjects :-) > http://cobweb.ecn.purdue.edu/~malcolm/yahoo/Slaney2007(SimilarityByUserRatingISMIR).pdf > > While Ben Marlin collected another 30k subjects for this > music-recommendation study. > http://cobweb.ecn.purdue.edu/~malcolm/yahoo/Marlin2007(UserBiasUncertainty).pdf > > The underlying data for both papers is available for academic > researchers (fully anonymized, both by song and by user). Send me email > if you want more information. > > - Malcolm > > On Dec 1, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Matt Wright wrote: > >> Trevor Cox recently published the results of an online experiment >> about listeners' ratings of sound files on a six-point scale ("not >> horrible", "bad", "really bad", "awful", "really awful", and >> "horrible"). To date he has 130,000 subjects (!) and about 1.5 >> million data points: >> >> http://www.sea-acustica.es/WEB_ICA_07/fchrs/papers/ppa-09-003.pdf >> >> Here's the website for his experiment: http://www.sound101.org >> >> Clearly this is related to the "effect of visual stimuli on the >> horribleness of awful sounds" that Kelly Fitz pointed out. >> >> -Matt >> >> >> On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:32 AM, Massimo Grassi wrote: >>> So far it looks that the experiment with the largest N (513!) is "The >>> role of contrasting temporal amplitude patterns in the perception of >>> speech" Healy and Warren JASA but I didn't check yet the methodology >>> to see whether is a between or a within subject design. >