Subject: Re : Topics for discussion From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?fr=E9d=E9ric_maintenant?= <fmaintenant@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:59:33 +0000 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--0-1257343079-1268787573=:76260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Mr Bregman for your comment!=0A=0AI take the opportunity to ask = =0Aagain (I believe I did not use the proper mode of answering, since 4 or = 5 years I haven't been much active on the list, being again more involved w= ith music):=0ADoes anybody know or is aware of how Gunther Schuller compos= ed his piece Spectra (1958), it seems that he used spectral =0Aanalysis of = sound, a method that would be years ahead of his time. I am not only intere= sted in the musical aspect of his composition but also in the potential sci= entific side: did he use scientific knowledge? =0A=0ARousseau, in his dict= ionary, wrote already very advance things concerning differential sounds, p= artials, noise etc.; it seems that his most mature and official writing (ie= the dictionary) has been widely overlooked. Here's a paper by the Cornelia= Fales that put forward some of Rousseau's conception on sound and music:= =0A=0ACornelia Fales (2005): Listening to timbre during the French =0Aenli= ghtment, =0A=0Ait gives an excellent account of the epistemology of the =0A= notion of timbre and can be read at:=0A=0Ahttp://www.oiccm.umontreal.ca/doc= /cim05/articles/fales_c_cim05.pdf=0A=0AI'd like to thank again Mr Giordano = to have share with us the 1973 Wessel's paper:=0A=0Ahttp://www.music.mcgill= .ca/~bruno/Wessel_1973.pdf=0A=0AIt is a real gem! I noticed that the orient= ation was much more =0Amusical than what can be read afterward, notably wit= h the mention of =0AVar=E8se and Ligeti.=0A=0AAll the best,=0A=0AFr=E9d=E9r= ic Maintenant=0ACharg=E9 de cours =E0 l'universit=E9 Paul Val=E9ry, Montpel= lier=0AMembre du groupe de recherche IDEAT/CNRS-Panth=E9on-Sorbonne, Paris= =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0ADe : Al Bregman <al.bregman@xxxxxxxx= mcgill.ca>=0A=C0 : AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx=0AEnvoy=E9 le : Mar 16 mars 201= 0, 23 h 34 min 04 s=0AObjet : Topics for discussion=0A=0ADear list,=0A=0AI = would like to remind everyone that the AUDITORY list members come=0Afrom a = variety of disciplines including experimental psychology,=0Alinguistics (es= pecially phonology), infant development, brain=0Asciences, music and other = sonic arts, audio technology, artificial=0Aintelligence, robotics, computer= science, and speech and hearing=0Ascience. For the last little while, the= postings seem to have focused=0Aheavily on a rather technical and heated d= iscussion of the mechanics=0Aof the cochlea. It is impressive to see the e= nthusiasm of researchers=0Aon this topic, but I hope that other people will= not be discouraged=0Afrom interrupting this discussion with questions, ann= ouncements, and=0Amessages on other topics.=0A=0APerhaps it would be a good= idea if, when any group wishes to have a=0Aprolonged discussion of a highl= y specialized topic, they form a=0Adiscussion group of interested parties. = It would then be of great=0Ainterest for the list as a whole to be brought= up to date on the=0Athoughts, and maybe conclusions, of this specialized g= roup if any of=0Aits members were willing to take the trouble to write up s= ummaries=0Afrom time to time.=0A=0ABest to all,=0A=0AAl=0A=0A--------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------=0AAlbert S.= Bregman, Emeritus Professor=0APsychology Department, McGill University=0A1= 205 Docteur Penfield Avenue=0AMontreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.=0AOffice: Phon= e: (514) 398-6103, Fax: (514) 398-4896=0Ahttp://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Gr= oup2/abregm1/web/=0A-------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1257343079-1268787573=:76260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></he= ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;fon= t-size:12pt"><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new york,times,seri= f; font-size: 12pt;">Thank you Mr Bregman for your comment!<br><br>I take t= he opportunity to ask =0Aagain (I believe I did not use the proper mode of = answering, since 4 or 5 years I haven't been much active on the list, being= again more involved with music):<br>Does anybody know or is aware of how = Gunther Schuller composed his piece Spectra (1958), it seems that he used s= pectral =0Aanalysis of sound, a method that would be years ahead of his tim= e. I am not only interested in the musical aspect of his composition but al= so in the potential scientific side: did he use scientific knowledge? = <br><br>Rousseau, in his dictionary, wrote already very advance things con= cerning differential sounds, partials, noise etc.; it seems that his most m= ature and official writing (ie the dictionary) has been widely overlooked. = Here's a paper by the Cornelia Fales that put forward some of Rousseau's co= nception on sound and music:<br><br>Cornelia Fales (2005): Listening = to timbre during the French =0Aenlightment, <br><br>it gives an excellent a= ccount of the epistemology of the =0Anotion of timbre and can be read at:<b= r><br><span><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.oiccm.= umontreal.ca/doc/cim05/articles/fales_c_cim05.pdf">http://www.oiccm.umontre= al.ca/doc/cim05/articles/fales_c_cim05.pdf</a></span><br><br>I'd like to th= ank again Mr <font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">Giordano to have share with u= s the 1973 Wessel's paper:<br></font><br><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bla= nk" href=3D"http://www.music.mcgill.ca/%7Ebruno/Wessel_1973.pdf">http://www= .music.mcgill.ca/~bruno/Wessel_1973.pdf</a><br><br>It is a real gem! I noti= ced that the orientation was much more =0Amusical than what can be read aft= erward, notably with the mention of =0AVar=E8se and Ligeti.<br><br>All the = best,<br><br>Fr=E9d=E9ric Maintenant<br>Charg=E9 de cours =E0 l'universit= =E9 Paul Val=E9ry, Montpellier<br>Membre du groupe de recherche IDEAT/CNRS-= Panth=E9on-Sorbonne, Paris<br><br><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetic= a,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><hr size= =3D"1"><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">De :</span></b> Al Bregman <= ;al.bregman@xxxxxxxx><br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">=C0 :</s= pan></b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">= Envoy=E9 le :</span></b> Mar 16 mars 2010, 23 h 34 min 04 s<br><b><span sty= le=3D"font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Topics for discussion<br>= </font><br>Dear list,<br><br>I would like to remind everyone that the AUDIT= ORY list members come<br>from a variety of disciplines including experiment= al psychology,<br>linguistics (especially phonology), infant development, b= rain<br>sciences, music and other sonic arts, audio technology, artificial<br>intelligence, robotics, computer science, and sp= eech and hearing<br>science. For the last little while, the postings = seem to have focused<br>heavily on a rather technical and heated discussion= of the mechanics<br>of the cochlea. It is impressive to see the enth= usiasm of researchers<br>on this topic, but I hope that other people will n= ot be discouraged<br>from interrupting this discussion with questions, anno= uncements, and<br>messages on other topics.<br><br>Perhaps it would be a go= od idea if, when any group wishes to have a<br>prolonged discussion of a hi= ghly specialized topic, they form a<br>discussion group of interested parti= es. It would then be of great<br>interest for the list as a whole to = be brought up to date on the<br>thoughts, and maybe conclusions, of this sp= ecialized group if any of<br>its members were willing to take the trouble t= o write up summaries<br>from time to time.<br><br>Best to all,<br><br>Al<br><br>----------------------------------------------------= -------------------------<br>Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor<br>Psych= ology Department, McGill University<br>1205 Docteur Penfield Avenue<br>Mont= real, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.<br>Office: Phone: (514) 398-6103, Fax: (514= ) 398-4896<br><a href=3D"http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web= /" target=3D"_blank">http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/</a= ><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------<br></div></div>=0A</div><br>=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A </body></html> --0-1257343079-1268787573=:76260--