Subject: Re: Auditory Spatial Stream Segregation From: Diana Deutsch <ddeutsch@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:56:59 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--Apple-Mail-1--306756093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Imran, In a study published in 1979, I studied the identification of rapid melodic patterns which were presented through earphones. Performance was at ceiling when tones were presented binaurally, but was considerably degraded when the tones were distributed in haphazard order between the ears. Performance improved considerably when a drone was presented contralateral to the ear receiving the melody component. I also included a condition where the melody and drone overlapped, and performance here fell between the two extremes. So with the use of headphones, streaming by spatial location can be very strong provided the tones are presented one at a time. With tones presented in synchrony to the two ears, streaming by spatial location breaks down, and spatial illusions, such as the scale illusion occur instead. Presenting the sounds via loudspeakers, particularly if there's some reverberation, results in spatial separation that's not as good as dichotic presentation via earphones. Sound examples of some of these illusions are posted at http://philomel.com Deutsch, D. Two-channel listening to musical scales . Journal of the Acoustical Society of America, 1975, 57, 1156-1160. [PDF Document] Deutsch, D. Binaural integration of melodic patterns. Perception & Psychophysics, 1979, 25, 399-405. [PDF Document] (there's a sentence missing in the abstract here, but this is clarified in the body of the text) Deutsch, D. Grouping mechanisms in music. In D. Deutsch (Ed.). The psychology of music, 2nd Edition, 1999, Academic Press, 299-348. [PDF Document] Deutsch, D., Hamaoui, K., and Henthorn, T. The Glissando Illusion and Handedness. Neuropsychologia, 2007, 45, 2981-2988. [PDF Document] (this one requires presentation via loudspeakers in a room environment with some reverb - such as an auditorium - to obtain a really good effect) Cheers, Diana Deutsch Professor Diana Deutsch Department of Psychology University of California, San Diego 9500 Gilman Dr. #0109 La Jolla, CA 92093-0109, USA 858-453-1558 (tel) 858-453-4763 (fax) http://deutsch.ucsd.edu http://www.philomel.com On Mar 31, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Imran Dhamani wrote: > Dear All, > > I was looking for a task to assess spatial auditory > stream segregation (sequential stream segregation based on > localization and/or lateralization cues) in literature and found an > experiment done by Judd T.(1979):(Spatial stream segregation in The > Journal of the Acoustical Society of America 1979;65(S1):S122 - > S122). According to him when the tones of a slow (e.g., 1 tone/s) > tone sequence alternate between widely placed speakers, observers > report hearing a single melody which moves back and forth between > the speakers like a pingpong game. When the same sequence is > presented more rapidly (e.g., 8 tones/s), observers report hearing > two independent melodies or streams, one from each speaker (Spatial > Stream Segregation). The other studies that I found to study spatial > stream segregation were those which used presentation of multitalker > babble or other noise through two or three loudspeakers in free > field and then present a target speech stimulus (word/sentence) > through any one speaker the position of which can or cannot be known > by the listener, the task of the listener is to identify the target > correctly in presence of the spatial noise. I tried simulating the > experiment by Judd using slow and fast alternating tones between two > widely placed speakers, although I could hear the galloping like/ > ping pong like rhythm for the slow tone presentation but then could > not actually get the split stream percept (I am comparing these > percepts to the typical sequential stream segregated percepts based > on fundamental frequency or other strong spectral or temporal cues, > especially the primitive stream segregation percepts as demostrated > by Bregman and colleagues) in the faster tone presentations. I > could not get access to the entire study or article as it was just > the online abstract which was available. I was wondering if this > task is really efficient to assess spatial auditory stream > segregation. Moreover I also wanted any suggestions regarding any > difference in efficacy of assessment of stream segregation if the > target positions for presentations of target speech stimuli are same > or different on each presentation, and if the target position is > either known/predictable or unpredictable by the listener. Also in > this task will roving the noise/babble across different speakers > (eg. speakers 3,4,5 for the first trial and speaker 6, 7, 8 for the > next trial) will give any addtional information regarding auditory > stream segregation ? I would also request everyone to share if any > other tasks that would be more efficient or appropriate to assess > the spatial stream segregation ability. > > > Best Regards, > Imran Dhamani > PhD. Student (Audiology). > > $$$$$ monty@xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx > > Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Professor Diana Deutsch Department of Psychology University of California, San Diego 9500 Gilman Dr. #0109 La Jolla, CA 92093-0109, USA 858-453-1558 (tel) 858-453-4763 (fax) http://deutsch.ucsd.edu http://www.philomel.com --Apple-Mail-1--306756093 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Dear = Imran,</div><div><br></div><div>In a study published in 1979, I studied = the identification of rapid melodic patterns which were presented = through earphones. Performance was at ceiling when tones were = presented binaurally, but was considerably degraded when the tones = were distributed in haphazard order between the ears. Performance = improved considerably when a drone was presented contralateral to = the ear receiving the melody component. I also included a condition = where the melody and drone overlapped, and performance here fell between = the two extremes. So with the use of headphones, streaming by spatial = location can be very strong provided the tones are presented one at a = time. With tones presented in synchrony to the two ears, streaming = by spatial location breaks down, and spatial illusions, such as the = scale illusion occur instead. Presenting the sounds via = loudspeakers, particularly if there's some reverberation, results in = spatial separation that's not as good as dichotic presentation via = earphones.</div><div><br></div><div>Sound examples of some of these = illusions are posted at <a = href=3D"http://philomel.com">http://philomel.com</a></div><div><br></div><= div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial, = Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; ">Deutsch, D. Two-channel = listening to musical scales . <i>Journal of the Acoustical Society = of America</i>, 1975, 57, 1156-1160. <nobr>[<a = href=3D"http://philomel.com/pdf/JASA-1975_57_1156-1160.pdf" = target=3D"_blank">PDF = Document</a>]</nobr></span></div><div><br></div><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, = sans-serif; font-size: 12px; ">Deutsch, D. Binaural integration of = melodic patterns. <i>Perception & Psychophysics</i>, 1979, 25, = 399-405. <nobr>[<a = href=3D"http://philomel.com/pdf/PandP-1979_25_399-405.pdf" = target=3D"_blank">PDF Document</a>]</nobr></span><div><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; = "><nobr></nobr></span><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, = Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"white-space: nowrap;">(there's a sentence missing in the = abstract here, but this is clarified in the body of the = text)</span></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"white-space: nowrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"white-space: nowrap;"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"white-space: normal; font-size: = 12px; ">Deutsch, D. Grouping mechanisms in music. In D. Deutsch = (Ed.). <i>The psychology of music, 2nd Edition</i>, 1999, Academic = Press, 299-348. <nobr>[<a = href=3D"http://philomel.com/pdf/PsychMus_Ch9.pdf" target=3D"_blank">PDF = Document</a>]</nobr></span></span></font></div><div><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"white-space: = nowrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"white-space: nowrap;"> <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"white-space: normal; font-size: 12px; ">Deutsch, D., Hamaoui, = K., and Henthorn, T. The Glissando Illusion and = Handedness. <i>Neuropsychologia</i>, 2007, 45, = 2981-2988. <nobr>[<a = href=3D"http://philomel.com/pdf/Neuropsych-2007_45_2981-2988.pdf" = target=3D"_blank">PDF = Document</a>]</nobr> </span></span></font></div><div><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(this = one requires presentation via loudspeakers in a room environment with = some reverb - such as an auditorium - to obtain a really good = effect)</font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, = Helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, = sans-serif">Cheers,</font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Diana = Deutsch</font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, = Helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, = sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"white-space: nowrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"white-space: nowrap;"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; white-space: = normal; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; = "><div>Professor Diana Deutsch</div><div>Department of Psychology = = </div><div>University of California, San = Diego</div><div>9500 Gilman Dr. #0109 = </div><div>La Jolla, CA 92093-0109, USA</div><div><br = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>858-453-1558 = (tel)</div><div>858-453-4763 (fax)</div><div><br = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><a = href=3D"http://deutsch.ucsd.edu">http://deutsch.ucsd.edu</a></div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.philomel.com">http://www.philomel.com</a></div><div><br= class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div></span></span><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font><div><div>On Mar 31, = 2010, at 7:37 AM, Imran Dhamani wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><table = cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" style=3D"position: = static; z-index: auto; "><tbody><tr><td valign=3D"top" style=3D"font: = inherit;"><div>Dear All,</div> <div> </div><p = align=3D"left">  = ; I was looking for a task to assess spatial auditory stream = segregation (sequential stream segregation based on localization = and/or lateralization cues) in literature and found an experiment done = by <span>Judd T.(<span = id=3D"ctl00_MainContent_pubYearTxt">1979)</span>:(Spatial stream = segregation in </span><span id=3D"ctl00_MainContent_journalTxt">The = Journal of the Acoustical Society of America</span> <span = id=3D"ctl00_MainContent_pubYearTxt2">1979</span>;<span = id=3D"ctl00_MainContent_volumeTxt">65</span>(<span = id=3D"ctl00_MainContent_issueTxt">S1</span>):<span = id=3D"ctl00_MainContent_paginationTxt">S122 - S122)</span>. According to = him w<span id=3D"ctl00_MainContent_abstractTxt">hen the tones of a = slow (e.g., 1 tone/s) tone sequence alternate between widely placed = speakers, observers report hearing a single melody which moves back and = forth between the speakers like a pingpong game. When the same sequence = is presented more rapidly (e.g., 8 tones/s), observers report hearing = two independent melodies or streams, one from each speaker (Spatial = Stream Segregation). The other studies that I found to study spatial = stream segregation were those which used presentation of multitalker = babble or other noise through two or three loudspeakers in free field = and then present a target speech stimulus (word/sentence) through any = one speaker the position of which can or cannot be known by the = listener, the task of the listener is to identify the target correctly = in presence of the spatial noise. I tried simulating the experiment by = Judd using slow and fast alternating tones between two widely placed = speakers, although I could hear the galloping like/ping pong like rhythm = for the slow tone presentation but then could not actually get the split = stream percept (I am comparing these percepts to the typical sequential = stream segregated percepts based on fundamental frequency or other = strong spectral or temporal cues, especially the primitive stream = segregation percepts as demostrated by Bregman and = colleagues) in the faster tone presentations. I could not get = access to the entire study or article as it was just the online abstract = which was available. I was wondering if this task is really = efficient to assess spatial auditory stream segregation. Moreover I also = wanted any suggestions regarding any difference in efficacy of = assessment of stream segregation if the target positions for = presentations of target speech stimuli are same or different on each = presentation, and if the target position is either known/predictable or = unpredictable by the listener. Also in this task will roving the = noise/babble across different speakers (eg. speakers 3,4,5 for the first = trial and speaker 6, 7, 8 for the next trial) will give any addtional = information regarding auditory stream segregation ? I would also request = everyone to share if any other tasks that would be more efficient or = appropriate to assess the spatial stream segregation = ability. </span> </p><div><span></span> </div> <div><span>Best = Regards,</span></div> <div><span>Imran Dhamani</span></div> = <div><span>PhD. Student (Audiology).</span></div> = <div><span> </span><br>$$$$$ = monty@xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx</div></td></tr></tbody></table><br> <!--1--><hr size=3D"1">= Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. <a = href=3D"http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_ie8_new/*http://downloads.yahoo.com= /in/internetexplorer/" target=3D"_blank">Get it = NOW!</a>.</blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited=3D"true"> = <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; = font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: = auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-size: 12px; "><div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">Professor Diana = Deutsch</div><div>Department of Psychology = = </div><div>University of California, San = Diego</div><div>9500 Gilman Dr. #0109 = </div><div>La Jolla, CA 92093-0109, USA</div><div><br = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>858-453-1558 = (tel)</div><div>858-453-4763 (fax)</div><div><br = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><a = href=3D"http://deutsch.ucsd.edu">http://deutsch.ucsd.edu</a></div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.philomel.com">http://www.philomel.com</a></div><div><br= class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div></span></span><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-1--306756093--