Subject: Re: AW: Hearing Loss "False Positives" From: "Harriet B. Jacobster, AuD" <hjacobster@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:44:45 -0400 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000107090606070604000501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by torrent.cc.mcgill.ca id o8NDiqji014274 Exactly. The focus should not be on "less than we thought," but=20 rather that there are even any number of teens that have hearing loss.=20 These are kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old who have a loss due to a=20 self-imposed infliction. These kids should not have a loss at all. My problem with this study is that it gives the impression that the=20 situation is not that bad. On the contrary, I repeat...the fact that=20 there are any teenagers with a self-imposed hearing loss should be the=20 focus. JMHO Regards, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Harriet B. Jacobster, **AuD* Board Certified in Audiology /hjacobster@xxxxxxxx <mailto:hjacobster@xxxxxxxx>/ On 9/23/2010 8:58 AM, reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx wrote: > > Dear Kevin, > > From a non-professional: 10 percent of 14.9 percent is about 1.5=20 > percent; that leaves 13.4 percent of teenagers with hearing loss,=20 > which is still frightening. From "Molecular Biology of the Cell", Part=20 > V, Chapter 22: "Auditory Hair Cells Have to Last a Lifetime". > > Reinhart. > > Reinhart Frosch, > Dr. phil. nat., > r. PSI and ETH Zurich, > Sommerhaldenstr. 5B, > CH-5200 Brugg. > Phone: 0041 56 441 77 72. > Mobile: 0041 79 754 30 32. > E-mail: reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx . > > ----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht---- > Von: kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx > Datum: 21.09.2010 23:41 > An: <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> > Betreff: Hearing Loss "False Positives" > > Would anyone in the professional community care to comment on this? > Begin forwarded message: > A new study from the University of Minnesota says that we're=20 > overestimating the amount of teens with hearing loss. > http://www1.umn.edu/news/news-releases/2010/UR_CONTENT_254452.html > Thanks in advance. > Kevin --------------000107090606070604000501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by torrent.cc.mcgill.ca id o8NDiqji014274 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Ty= pe"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor=3D"#ccffff" text=3D"#000066"> <font face=3D"Calibri">Exactly.=C2=A0 The focus should not be on "les= s than we thought,"=C2=A0 but rather that there are even any number of tee= ns that have hearing loss.=C2=A0 </font>These are kids who are 10, 11,= 12 years old who have a loss due to a self-imposed infliction.=C2=A0 The= se kids should not have a loss at all.=C2=A0 <br> <br> My problem with this study is that it gives the impression that the situation is not that bad.=C2=A0 On the contrary, I repeat...the fact that there are any teenagers with a self-imposed hearing loss should be the focus.<br> <br> JMHO<br> <div class=3D"moz-signature"> <style>@xxxxxxxx { font-family: "Calibri"; }@xxxxxxxx { font-family: "Monotype Corsiva"; }p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal { margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; fon= t-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; }a:link, span.MsoHyperlink { color: b= lue; text-decoration: underline; }a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { = color: purple; text-decoration: underline; }p.Style1, li.Style1, div.Styl= e1 { margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; }div.= Section1 { page: Section1; }</style> <div class=3D"Section1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; color: rgb(139, 32, 154);">Regards,<br> <span style=3D"">=C2=A0</span><br> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br> </span><b><span style=3D"font-size: 18pt; font-family: "Monotype Corsiva"; color: rgb(139, 32, 154);">Ha= rriet B. Jacobster, </span></b><b><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: "Monotype Corsiva"; color: rgb(139, 32, 154);">AuD</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; color: rgb(139, 32, 154);"><br> </span><span style=3D"color: rgb(139, 32, 154);">Board Certifie= d in Audiology<br> <i style=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:hjacobster@xxxxxxxx"><span style=3D"color: rgb(139, 32, 154);">hjacobster@xxxxxxxx<= /span></a></i></span></p> </div> </div> <br> On 9/23/2010 8:58 AM, <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"m= ailto:reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx">reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx</a> wrote: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:20100923133438.0B373794E@xxxxxxxx" type=3D"cite"> <style type=3D"text/css"> <!-- div.bwmail { background-color:#ffffff; font-family: Trebuchet MS,Arial,He= lvetica; font-size: 12px; margin:0; padding:0;} div.bwmail p { margin:0; padding:0; } div.bwmail table { font-family: Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; } div.bwmail li { margin:0; padding:0; } --> </style> <div class=3D"bwmail"> <p>Dear Kevin, </p> <p>From a non-professional: 10 percent of 14.9 percent is about 1.5 percent; that leaves 13.4 percent of teenagers with hearing loss, which is still frightening. From "Molecular Biology of the Cell", Part V, Chapter 22: "Auditory Hair Cells Have to Last a Lifetime".</p> <p>Reinhart.=C2=A0<br> <br> Reinhart Frosch,<br> Dr. phil. nat.,<br> r. PSI and ETH Zurich,<br> Sommerhaldenstr. 5B,<br> CH-5200 Brugg.<br> Phone: 0041 56 441 77 72.<br> Mobile: 0041 79 754 30 32.<br> E-mail: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:re= inifrosch@xxxxxxxx">reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx</a> .<br> <br> ----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----<br> Von: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:kevin= .austin@xxxxxxxx">kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx</a><br> Datum: 21.09.2010 23:41<br> An: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= LISTS.MCGILL.CA"><AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx></a><br> Betreff: Hearing Loss "False Positives"<br> </p> <div>=C2=A0</div> Would anyone in the professional community care to comment on this?<br> <div> <div>Begin forwarded message:</div> <div>A new study from the University of Minnesota says that we're overestimating the amount of teens with hearing loss.=C2= =A0<br> <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www1.umn.edu/news/news-releases/2010/UR_CONTENT_254452.htm= l">http://www1.umn.edu/news/news-releases/2010/UR_CONTENT_254452.html</a>= </div> </div> <div>Thanks in advance.</div> <div>Kevin<br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html> --------------000107090606070604000501--