Re: loud music (Bill Thompson )


Subject: Re: loud music
From:    Bill Thompson  <bill.thompson@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:05:49 +1000
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--Apple-Mail-1--74612287 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You might be interested in the following discussions of loudness. http://www.blesser.net/downloads/eContact%20Loud%20Music.pdf and http://www.blesser.net/spacesSpeak.html Bill Thompson Professor and Head Department of Psychology Macquarie University Sydney, NSW, 2109, Australia http://www.psy.mq.edu.au/staff/bthompson Ph: ++61-2-9850-4083 Mobile: 0431-275-148 On 24/09/2010, at 5:28 PM, Laszlo Toth wrote: > On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx wrote: > >> Old guys with undamaged hair cells have the advantage that they >> can fully >> enjoy classical tonal music with its change from dissonant to >> consonant >> chords and back. According to the Helmholtz consonance theory that >> change is due to the presence or absence of beats generated by >> pairs of >> partial tones of almost equal frequencies. These partials tend to be >> soft, and their frequencies tend to be high. > > Do you know the answer to the opposite: why is rock music more > enjoyable > loud? I think that it would be important to understand. > > Laszlo Toth > Hungarian Academy of Sciences * > Research Group on Artificial Intelligence * "Failure only begins > e-mail: tothl@xxxxxxxx * when you stop > trying" > http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/~tothl * --Apple-Mail-1--74612287 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">You might be interested in the = following discussions of loudness.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.blesser.net/downloads/eContact%20Loud%20Music.pdf">http= ://www.blesser.net/downloads/eContact%20Loud%20Music.pdf</a></div><div><br= ></div><div>and&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.blesser.net/spacesSpeak.html">http://www.blesser.net/sp= acesSpeak.html</a><br><div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-size: 16px;"><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = face=3D"Helvetica"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: = medium;"><br></span></font></span></font></div><div><div> <div><div = style=3D"font-size: 12px; "><div style=3D"font-size: medium; = ">Bill&nbsp;Thompson</div><div style=3D"font-size: medium; ">Professor = and Head</div><div style=3D"font-size: medium; ">Department of = Psychology</div><div style=3D"font-size: medium; ">Macquarie = University</div><div style=3D"font-size: medium; ">Sydney, NSW, 2109, = Australia</div><div style=3D"font-size: medium; = ">http://www.psy.mq.edu.au/staff/bthompson</div><div style=3D"font-size: = medium; ">Ph: ++61-2-9850-4083</div><div style=3D"font-size: medium; = ">Mobile: 0431-275-148</div></div></div><div><br></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On 24/09/2010, = at 5:28 PM, Laszlo Toth wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx = wrote:</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> = <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Old guys with undamaged = hair cells have the advantage that they can fully</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">enjoy classical tonal music with its change from = dissonant to consonant</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">chords and back. According = to the Helmholtz consonance theory that</div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">change = is due to the presence or absence of beats generated by pairs = of</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">partial tones of almost equal frequencies. = These partials tend to be</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">soft, and = their frequencies tend to be high.</div> </blockquote><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Do you = know the answer to the opposite: why is rock music more = enjoyable</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">loud? I think that it would be = important to understand.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = &nbsp; &nbsp; </span>Laszlo Toth</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = </span>Hungarian Academy of Sciences <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = </span>*</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp; </span>Research Group on = Artificial Intelligence <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp; = </span>* <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp; </span>"Failure = only begins</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; </span>e-mail: = tothl@xxxxxxxx<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp; &nbsp; = &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </span>*<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span>when you stop = trying"</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; = </span>http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/~tothl<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = </span>*</div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-1--74612287--


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