Re: loud music (Barry Blesser )


Subject: Re: loud music
From:    Barry Blesser  <bblesser@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:04:16 -0400
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CB5BC7.77D3CD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, A somewhat better version of this paper can be found at http://www.blesser.net/downloads/ICBEN%202008%20Final.pdf It is part of a public conference and can be referenced Regards, Barry Blesser _____ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Bill Thompson Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:06 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: loud music You might be interested in the following discussions of loudness. http://www.blesser.net/downloads/eContact%20Loud%20Music.pdf and http://www.blesser.net/spacesSpeak.html Bill Thompson Professor and Head Department of Psychology Macquarie University Sydney, NSW, 2109, Australia http://www.psy.mq.edu.au/staff/bthompson Ph: ++61-2-9850-4083 Mobile: 0431-275-148 On 24/09/2010, at 5:28 PM, Laszlo Toth wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx wrote: Old guys with undamaged hair cells have the advantage that they can fully enjoy classical tonal music with its change from dissonant to consonant chords and back. According to the Helmholtz consonance theory that change is due to the presence or absence of beats generated by pairs of partial tones of almost equal frequencies. These partials tend to be soft, and their frequencies tend to be high. Do you know the answer to the opposite: why is rock music more enjoyable loud? I think that it would be important to understand. Laszlo Toth Hungarian Academy of Sciences * Research Group on Artificial Intelligence * "Failure only begins e-mail: tothl@xxxxxxxx * when you stop trying" http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/~tothl * ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CB5BC7.77D3CD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" 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{size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue style=3D'word-wrap: = break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space'> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A somewhat better version of this = paper can be found at <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a href=3D"http://www.blesser.net/downloads/ICBEN%202008%20Final.pdf">http:/= /www.blesser.net/downloads/ICBEN%202008%20Final.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span>= </font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is part of a public conference = and can be referenced <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Barry = Blesser<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font = size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </span></font></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font = size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> = AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx = <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bill Thompson<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September = 24, 2010 6:06 AM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> = AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: loud = music</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>You might be interested in the following discussions of = loudness.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><a = href=3D"http://www.blesser.net/downloads/eContact%20Loud%20Music.pdf">htt= p://www.blesser.net/downloads/eContact%20Loud%20Music.pdf</a><o:p></o:p><= /span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>and&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><a = href=3D"http://www.blesser.net/spacesSpeak.html">http://www.blesser.net/s= pacesSpeak.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 13.5pt'>Bill&nbsp;Thompson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 13.5pt'>Professor and Head<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 13.5pt'>Department of Psychology<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName = w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>Macquarie</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=3D4><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'> <st1:PlaceType = w:st=3D"on">University</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><font size=3D4><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 13.5pt'>Sydney, NSW, 2109, <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place = w:st=3D"on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p></span><= /font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 13.5pt'>http://www.psy.mq.edu.au/staff/bthompson<o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 13.5pt'>Ph: ++61-2-9850-4083<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><font = size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>Mobile</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><fo= nt size=3D4><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>: = 0431-275-148<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>On 24/09/2010, at 5:28 PM, Laszlo Toth = wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx = wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style=3D'min-height: 14px'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=3Dcite> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>Old guys with undamaged hair cells have the advantage that they = can fully<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>enjoy classical tonal music with its change from dissonant to = consonant<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>chords and back. According to the Helmholtz consonance theory = that<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>change is due to the presence or absence of beats generated by = pairs of<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>partial tones of almost equal frequencies. These partials tend = to be<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>soft, and their frequencies tend to be = high.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> <div style=3D'min-height: 14px'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>Do you know the answer to the opposite: why is rock music more = enjoyable<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>loud? I think that it would be important to = understand.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style=3D'min-height: 14px'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; = &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </span></font></span>Laszlo = Toth<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp; &nbsp; = &nbsp; &nbsp; </span></font></span><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName = w:st=3D"on">Hungarian</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">Academy</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> of = Sciences <span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = </span>*<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp; = </span></font></span>Research Group on Artificial Intelligence <span = class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp; </span>* <span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp; </span>&quot;Failure only = begins<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; = &nbsp; </span></font></span>e-mail: tothl@xxxxxxxx<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp; &nbsp; = &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </span>*<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp; = &nbsp; </span>when you stop trying&quot;<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp; = &nbsp; </span></font></span>http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/~tothl<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = </span>*<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CB5BC7.77D3CD60--


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