Re: Loud music (James Johnston )


Subject: Re: Loud music
From:    James Johnston  <James.Johnston@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:19:23 -0700
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--_000_A3A915D4968D3547B15269C244643B620A6F339647EXCHANGE2K7dt_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" While I'm very much in favor of retaining my hair cells in working order, a= nd I tend to end every talk I give with AND PROTECT YOUR HEARING (otherwise= my profession is sort of irrelevant), I admit to being a bit tired of the = back and forth here. I listen to music in a concentrated way, think chair, eyes closed, like the= old Memorex commercial without the streaming hair (don't listen that loud,= and don't have enough hair either any more). Think Beethoven/Bach/... Cla= ssics, Baroque, Romantic more or less. I listen to music in a less concentrated way, but while still playing prima= ry attention to the music. Think Chet Atkins, Dire Straits, Don Henley, Le= d Zepplin, Black Sabbath, Green Day ... I use music to block extraneous noise when I'm trying to work. Usually som= ething of the "smooth jazz" category . Think Peter White, etc. I use background music just so it's not too (*&(* quiet. Anything will do, = but Eric Bogle, Atkins, Tommy Emannuel, bluegrass of most any sort, etc. I think it's beyond arrogant to suggest that, other than destroying hair ce= lls, listening to loud music is doing more (now that's enough, really, isn'= t it), and sounds a bit more than slightly alarmist to me. The CNS is rath= er plastic in my experience, even if I'm now an old fogie, I still learn n= ew tricks, and recover skills I had 40 years ago in a few minutes, ones tha= t I thought I had complete forgotten, as well. Now, if we are talking record-company <unbelievably gross and offensive exp= letive referring to a fertilizer substance deleted>, that's another story. = I've seen the recording industry go through at least 3 cycles of spread/co= nsolidation, first with Mono LP's/45's, then stereo LP's, then to some exte= nt with 8 tracks (ecch), and then with CD's. We're at the bottom of the pi= ts of (*&(* in consolidation right now, with attempts to control the entire= process end to end, and the result is just what you'd expect, zero innovat= ion to speak of (at least in the mainstream) and the financial types tellin= g the artistic "directors", most of whom are not musicians, what to buy and= sell. It will change again. It always has previously. To what, this time, I don't= know, but it will change. If nothing else, the traditional "buy a recordi= ng that we keep ownership of" mode of operation is just going to die, the s= ame way POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service and long distance) died despite t= he best efforts of people to control and dominate that market via regulator= y means. But something will replace it, because people want to hear music.= Foreground, background, whatever, people want the end product, and in gene= ral they want a pleasant, rather than clipped to (*&(*, experience. I see a breath of hope when the Metallica fans started to raise Cain about = hypercompression (of the level sort). It's of the "even the metal rockers a= re sick of it" hint that the industry hasn't taken, but that you do see min= or labels and indies taking. For playback in portable/car premises, there are obvious ways to deal, but = I'm not at liberty to discuss them. Jj Brian, it's not your comment that set me off, rather I was heartened to see= a voice of sanity in this regard. Oh, and for those who asked, I walked through two Dorms yesterday, I like t= o hang out in college bars when I'm travelling on business, they are less d= ead-and-stuffed than business restaurants, unless I'm doing business at din= ner. My favorite radio station is KUOW, where "UOW" means University of Wa= shington. So, guys, lay off judging preference. Stick to insisting on safety, I'm al= l for that part. __________________________ James D. Johnston (jj@xxxxxxxx) CHIEF SCIENTIST - DTS, Inc. 425-814-3200, ext. 134 - office 425-814-3204 - fax 206-321-7449- mobile 11410 NE 122nd Way, Suite 100 Kirkland, WA 98034 This electronic transmission (and/or the documents accompanying it) may con= tain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized use, copying= or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this communication in= error, please notify DTS, Inc immediately by telephone (425-814-3200) and = destroy the original message. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= ILL.CA] On Behalf Of Brian Gygi Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:36 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Loud music The story about Pete Townsend is totally apocryphal Notice: This message and any included attachments are intended only for the use of = the addressee, and may contain information that is privileged or confidenti= al. 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color:#1F497D'>While I&#8217;m very much in favor of retaining my hair cell= s in working order, and I tend to end every talk I give with AND PROTECT YOUR HEARING (otherwise my profession is sort of irrelevant), I admit to being a= bit tired of the back and forth here. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>I listen to music in a concentrated way, think chair, eyes closed, like the old Memorex commercial without the streaming hair (don&#82= 17;t listen that loud, and don&#8217;t have enough hair either any more).&nbsp; Think Beethoven/Bach/&#8230; Classics, Baroque, Romantic more or less.<o:p>= </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>I listen to music in a less concentrated way, but while still playing primary attention to the music.&nbsp; Think Chet Atkins, Dire Strai= ts, Don Henley, Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath, Green Day &#8230;<o:p></o:p></span>= </p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>I use music to block extraneous noise when I&#8217;m trying to&nbsp; work. Usually something of the &#8220;smooth jazz&#8221; category . Think Peter White, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>I use background music just so it&#8217;s not too (*&amp;(* quiet. Anything will do, but Eric Bogle, Atkins, Tommy Emannuel, bluegrass = of most any sort, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>I think it&#8217;s beyond arrogant to suggest that, other th= an destroying hair cells, listening to loud music is doing more (now that&#821= 7;s enough, really, isn&#8217;t it), and sounds a bit more than slightly alarmi= st to me.&nbsp; The CNS is rather plastic in my experience, even if I&#8217;m = now an old fogie,&nbsp; I still learn new tricks, and recover skills I had 40 y= ears ago in a few minutes, ones that I thought I had complete forgotten, as well= .<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Now, if we are talking record-company &lt;unbelievably gross= and offensive expletive referring to a fertilizer substance deleted&gt;, that&#= 8217;s another story.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve seen the recording industry go through at l= east 3 cycles of spread/consolidation, first with Mono LP&#8217;s/45&#8217;s, th= en stereo LP&#8217;s, then to some extent with 8 tracks (ecch), and then with = CD&#8217;s.&nbsp; We&#8217;re at the bottom of the pits of (*&amp;(* in consolidation right n= ow, with attempts to control the entire process end to end, and the result is j= ust what you&#8217;d expect, zero innovation to speak of (at least in the mainstream) and the financial types telling the artistic &#8220;directors&#= 8221;, most of whom are not musicians, what to buy and sell.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>It will change again. It always has previously. To what, this time, I don&#8217;t know, but it will change.&nbsp; If nothing else, the traditional &#8220;buy a recording that we keep ownership of&#8221; mode of operation is just going to die, the same way POTS (Plain Old Telephone Serv= ice and long distance) died despite the best efforts of people to control and dominate that market via regulatory means.&nbsp; But something will replace= it, because people want to hear music. Foreground, background, whatever, people want the end product, and in general they want a pleasant, rather than clip= ped to (*&amp;(*, experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>I see a breath of hope when the Metallica fans started to ra= ise Cain about hypercompression (of the level sort). It&#8217;s of the &#8220;e= ven the metal rockers are sick of it&#8221; hint that the industry hasn&#8217;t taken, but that you do see minor labels and indies taking.<o:p></o:p></span= ></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>For playback in portable/car premises, there are obvious way= s to deal, but I&#8217;m not at liberty to discuss them.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Jj<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Brian, it&#8217;s not your comment that set me off, rather I= was heartened to see a voice of sanity in this regard.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Oh, and for those who asked, I walked through two Dorms yesterday, I like to hang out in college bars when I&#8217;m travelling on = business, they are less dead-and-stuffed than business restaurants, unless I&#8217;m doing business at dinner.&nbsp; My favorite radio station is KUOW, where &#= 8220;UOW&#8221; means University of Washington.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>So, guys, lay off judging preference.&nbsp; Stick to insisti= ng on safety, I&#8217;m all for that part.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt= :auto'><b><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>= __________________________<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt= :auto'><b><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>= James D. Johnston&nbsp; (jj@xxxxxxxx)</span></b><b><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt; font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","= sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>CHIEF SCIENTIST&nbsp;- DTS, Inc.<br> </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br> </span><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>425-814-3200, ext. 134 - office<br> 425-814-3204 - fax<br> 206-321-7449- mobile<br> <br> 11410 NE 122nd Way, &nbsp;Suite 100<br> Kirkland, WA 98034<br> </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br> </span><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>This electronic transmission (and/or the documents accompany= ing it) may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized u= se, copying or distribution is prohibited.&nbsp; If you have received this communication in error, please notify DTS, Inc immediately by telephone (425-814-3200) and destroy the original message. Messages sent to and from = us may be monitored.</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibr= i","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",= "sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma= ","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AUDITORY - Re= search in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <b>On Behalf Of </= b>Brian Gygi<br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:36 AM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AUDITORY] Loud music<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",= "sans-serif"'>The story about Pete Townsend is totally apocryphal</span><span style=3D'font-s= ize: 9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0= in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div id=3D"AOLMsgPart_0_b2589eba-69f6-4a16-93d8-6a811b332c60"> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:9.= 0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> <DIV> Notice:<BR> This message and any included attachments are intended only for the use of = the addressee, and may contain information that is privileged or confidenti= al. 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