Subject: Re: exploitation of "Auditory List" as a free "Article Request" list From: Marcelo Caetano <gaiolouvo-auditory@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 02:22:31 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--972819098-1168942497-1344590551=:60633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear list,=0A=A0=0AI agree that the list works very well without this kind = of explicit rules. I only suggested to discuss rules instead of imposing th= em. I felt that the original message did not necessarily reflect the opinio= n of the majority about the issue and thought it would be very positive to = hear the opinion of others.=0A=A0=0AI am very pleased to see that many memb= ers have=A0engaged in=A0a lively and productive discussion, including the f= ounder of the auditory list (Al), along with the current maintainer (Dan). = Somebody wrote that this discussion was going nowhere, just like the one ab= out job announcements. I disagree. Now we know how the people who expressed= themselves feel about=A0both issues and, above all, the opinion of the maj= ority predominated.=0A=A0=0ABest,=0AMarcelo=0A=0A=0A>______________________= __________=0A> De: Jos=E9 Ignacio Alc=E1ntara <jia10@xxxxxxxx>=0A>Para: AU= DITORY@xxxxxxxx =0A>Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2012 9:31= =0A>Assunto: Re: [AUDITORY] exploitation of "Auditory List" as a free "Arti= cle Request" list=0A> =0A>Thank you Al for making a point that appears to = have been overlooked and is highly pertinent to the matter at hand. I might= also add that the journal-access problem is also sometimes an issue for re= searchers in universities that might appear to be well funded - this is oft= en not actually the case in practice: University Departments run on budgets= that are increasingly diminishing and Library funding is often a target fo= r cutbacks. There are several journals of interest to me that we do not hav= e a current subscription for, mostly because to get access to one journal n= ecessitates subscribing to a group of journals, many of which are not of in= terest to our readers. (This is a larger issue that I will not go into, tho= ugh one that will be familiar to many on this list.)=0A>=0A>I have always t= aken the view that anyone who requests a paper from members on the list wil= l first have attempted to access it by whatever (legitimate) channels are a= vailable to them; failing those, they email the list for assistance. Person= ally, I have no problem with this use of the list - I have both requested a= nd provided articles when the need arises. Furthermore, I consider it perfe= ctly reasonable that a community of like-minded researchers should assist o= ne another in the spirit of not impeding research, which we may all benefit= from in the future. =0A>=0A>Yours,=0A>=0A>Jos=E9 Ignacio Alc=E1ntara =0A>= =0A>Sent from my iPhone=0A>=0A>On 6 Aug 2012, at 22:42, Al Bregman <al.breg= man@xxxxxxxx> wrote:=0A>=0A>> Hi all,=0A>> =0A>> Regarding the requests fo= r articles, I would like to remind everyone=0A>> that many members of this = list live in countries where the=0A>> universities and libraries are grossl= y underfunded and therefore can't=0A>> subscribe to many journals, and may = not have an inter-library loan=0A>> system in place.=A0 Any articles that w= e can send them (directly rather=0A>> than via the list) will help these li= st members to develop arts,=0A>> science, and technology in their countries= .=A0 (Another reason why=0A>> blanket rules can result in unwanted conseque= nces).=0A>> =0A>> Cheers,=0A>> Al=0A>> ------------------------------------= -----------------------------------------=0A>> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus = Professor=0A>> Psychology Department, McGill University=0A>> 1205 Doctor Pe= nfield Avenue=0A>> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.=0A>> Office:=A0 Phone: (51= 4) three-nine-eight-6103,=0A>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Fax: (514) three-nine= -eight-4896=0A>> http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/=0A>> -= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:48 PM, David Morris <dmorris@xxxxxxxx= m.ku.dk> wrote:=0A>>> Having recently posted the on the list requesting an = article (a golden oldie from more than half a century ago, that no library = in my vicinity could produce) one can't help but feel vilified by Brian's m= ail.=A0 I'm sure that wasn't his intention, and us article-hustlers should = take it in the reasonable house-keeping spirit with which it was probably i= ntended.=0A>>> =0A>>> On the other hand, seven member of the list subsequen= tly wrote to me off list and requested a copy.=A0 Perhaps we should all adj= ust our mail filters to reflect our interests and avoid an exchange like th= e one we had over Positions Vacant postings - unproductive and unresolved.= =0A>>> =0A>>> David Morris=0A>=0A>=0A> --972819098-1168942497-1344590551=:60633 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:; background-color:; font-family:times new = roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Dear list,</span><= /div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new y= ork, times, serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: t= ransparent;"><span></span> </div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); fo= nt-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px; font-s= tyle: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>I agree that the list w= orks very well without this kind of explicit rules. I only suggested to dis= cuss rules instead of imposing them. I felt that the original message did n= ot necessarily reflect the opinion of the majority about the issue and thou= ght it would be very positive to hear the opinion of others.</span></div><d= iv style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, ti= mes, serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span></span> </div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px; font= -style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span></span><span>I am ver= y pleased to see that many members have engaged in a lively and p= roductive discussion, including the founder of the auditory list (Al), alon= g with the current maintainer (Dan). </span>Somebody wrote that this discus= sion was going nowhere, just like the one about job announcements. I disagr= ee. Now we know how the people who expressed themselves feel about bot= h issues and, above all, the opinion of the majority predominated.</div><di= v> </div><div>Best,</div><div>Marcelo<br></div><blockquote style=3D"pa= dding-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(= 16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div sty= le=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif= ; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <di= v style=3D"margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 2= 04); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class=3D"hr" contentEdit= able=3D"false" readonly=3D"true"></div> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bol= d;">De:</span></b> Jos=E9 Ignacio Alc=E1ntara <jia10@xxxxxxxx><br> <= b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Para:</span></b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= .CA <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Enviadas:</span></b> Sexta-f= eira, 10 de Agosto de 2012 9:31<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">A= ssunto:</span></b> Re: [AUDITORY] exploitation of "Auditory List" as a free= "Article Request" list<br> </font> </div> <br>Thank you Al for making a po= int that appears to have been overlooked and is highly pertinent to the mat= ter at hand. I might also add that the journal-access problem is also somet= imes an issue for researchers in universities that might appear to be well funded - this is = often not actually the case in practice: University Departments run on budg= ets that are increasingly diminishing and Library funding is often a target= for cutbacks. There are several journals of interest to me that we do not = have a current subscription for, mostly because to get access to one journa= l necessitates subscribing to a group of journals, many of which are not of= interest to our readers. (This is a larger issue that I will not go into, = though one that will be familiar to many on this list.)<br><br>I have alway= s taken the view that anyone who requests a paper from members on the list = will first have attempted to access it by whatever (legitimate) channels ar= e available to them; failing those, they email the list for assistance. Per= sonally, I have no problem with this use of the list - I have both requeste= d and provided articles when the need arises. Furthermore, I consider it perfectly reasonable that a community of like-minded researche= rs should assist one another in the spirit of not impeding research, which = we may all benefit from in the future. <br><br>Yours,<br><br>Jos=E9 Ignacio= Alc=E1ntara <br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On 6 Aug 2012, at 22:42, Al= Bregman <<a href=3D"mailto:al.bregman@xxxxxxxx" ymailto=3D"mailto:al.b= regman@xxxxxxxx">al.bregman@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Hi all,<b= r>> <br>> Regarding the requests for articles, I would like to remind= everyone<br>> that many members of this list live in countries where th= e<br>> universities and libraries are grossly underfunded and therefore = can't<br>> subscribe to many journals, and may not have an inter-library= loan<br>> system in place. Any articles that we can send them (di= rectly rather<br>> than via the list) will help these list members to de= velop arts,<br>> science, and technology in their countries. (Another reason why<br>> blanket rules can result in unwanted consequen= ces).<br>> <br>> Cheers,<br>> Al<br>> -------------------------= ----------------------------------------------------<br>> Albert S. Breg= man, Emeritus Professor<br>> Psychology Department, McGill University<br= >> 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue<br>> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.<br>= > Office: Phone: (514) three-nine-eight-6103,<br>> = Fax: (514) three-nine-eight-4896<br>> <a hr= ef=3D"http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/" target=3D"_blank= ">http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/</a><br>> ---------= --------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>= ; <br>> <br>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:48 PM, David Morris <<a hre= f=3D"mailto:dmorris@xxxxxxxx" ymailto=3D"mailto:dmorris@xxxxxxxx">dmorris= @xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br>>> Having recently posted the on the lis= t requesting an article (a golden oldie from more than half a century ago, t= hat no library in my vicinity could produce) one can't help but feel vilifi= ed by Brian's mail. I'm sure that wasn't his intention, and us articl= e-hustlers should take it in the reasonable house-keeping spirit with which= it was probably intended.<br>>> <br>>> On the other hand, seve= n member of the list subsequently wrote to me off list and requested a copy= . Perhaps we should all adjust our mail filters to reflect our intere= sts and avoid an exchange like the one we had over Positions Vacant posting= s - unproductive and unresolved.<br>>> <br>>> David Morris<br><= br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div></body></html> --972819098-1168942497-1344590551=:60633--