Subject: Re: Online talk available From: Pierre Divenyi <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:22:03 -0800 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3445248126_17708964 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Finally I took the time and watched Bob's recorded talk. His points are valid and his presentation is both interesting and (as always) entertaining= . One comment though: Bob's illustrations of bad science consist exclusively of examples of ill-applied parametric statistics. I would have been even happier listening to him if he had suggested using nonparametric statistics =8B methods that would overcome most of the objectionable data analyses he showed. Nevertheless, 100 points to Bob! -Pierre On 2/25/13 3:08 PM, "Alain de Cheveigne'" <alain.de.cheveigne@xxxxxxxx> wrote= : Excellent! =20 It's funny, perspicuous, and I'm sure it'll have a very useful impact. It's also a great example of talk design. Anyone who takes science seriously should find the patience to sit through the talk, and perhaps go back once or twice to figure out any examples that they don't get the first time. Alain On 20 Feb 2013, at 20:59, Bob Carlyon <bob.carlyon@xxxxxxxx> wrote= : > Dear list, > =20 > Last year I gave a talk to the British Society of Audiology, which was > subsequently recorded & made available online. The title is =B3Science: How= not > to do it=B2 and the talk covers some common logical and statistical errors = in > scientific research. There are also some good cartoons, and the opportuni= ty to > win points by spotting errors. I realise that it may not be sophisticated > enough for many subscribers to this list, but some people have found it > useful, so I thought I=B9d post the link. > =20 > Here it is: > =20 > https://connect.sonova.com/p1q15w788pc/ > =20 > Bob > =20 > Dr. Bob Carlyon > Programme Leader > MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit > 15 Chaucer Rd. > Cambridge CB2 7EF > England > Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 > Fax: +44 (0)1223 355294 > www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk <http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/> > =20 > =20 --B_3445248126_17708964 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: s= pace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:= 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Finally I took the time and = watched Bob's recorded talk. His points are valid and his presentation is bo= th interesting and (as always) entertaining. One comment though: Bob's illus= trations of bad science consist exclusively of examples of ill-applied param= etric statistics. I would have been even happier listening to him if he had = suggested using nonparametric statistics — methods that would overcome= most of the objectionable data analyses he showed.</div><div><br></div><div= >Nevertheless, 100 points to Bob!</div><div><br></div><div>-Pierre</div><div= ><br></div><span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><div>On 2/25/13 3:08 PM, "Al= ain de Cheveigne'" <<a href=3D"mailto:alain.de.cheveigne@xxxxxxxx">alain.de.c= heveigne@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:</div></div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equ= iv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dwindows-1252"><meta http-equiv=3D= "Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dwindows-1252"><div style=3D"word-wra= p: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-spa= ce; ">Excellent! <div><br></div><div>It's funny, perspicuous, and I'm = sure it'll have a very useful impact. It's also a great example of talk desi= gn. Anyone who takes science seriously should find the patience to sit throu= gh the talk, and perhaps go back once or twice to figure out any examples th= at they don't get the first time.</div><div><br></div><div>Alain</div><div><= br></div><div><br><div><br><div><div>On 20 Feb 2013, at 20:59, Bob Carlyon &= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bob.carlyon@xxxxxxxx">bob.carlyon@xxxxxxxx= .uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote ty= pe=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font-family: H= elvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-= weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; tex= t-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webki= t-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSecti= on1; "><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: C= alibri, sans-serif; ">Dear list,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm= 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> <= /o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-famil= y: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Last year I gave a talk to the British Society of = Audiology, which was subsequently recorded & made available online. The = title is “Science: How not to do it” and the talk covers some co= mmon logical and statistical errors in scientific research. There are also s= ome good cartoons, and the opportunity to win points by spotting errors. I r= ealise that it may not be sophisticated enough for many subscribers to this = list, but some people have found it useful, so I thought I’d post the = link.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;= font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"marg= in: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">H= ere it is:<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D= "margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif= ; "><a href=3D"https://connect.sonova.com/p1q15w788pc/" style=3D"color: purple; = text-decoration: underline; ">https://connect.sonova.com/p1q15w788pc/</a><o:= p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-fa= mily: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm = 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Bob<o:p><= /o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-famil= y: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm= 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>Dr. Bo= b Carlyon<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-= size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>Programme Leader<o:p><= /o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; fon= t-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Un= it<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 1= 1pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>15 Chaucer Rd.<o:p></o:p></sp= an></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family:= Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>Cambridge CB2 7EF<o:p></o:p></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans= -serif; "><span>England<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0= .0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>Tel: +44= (0)1223 355294<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;= font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>Fax: +44 (0)1223= 355294<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-si= ze: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span><a href=3D"http://www.mrc-= cbu.cam.ac.uk/" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">www.mrc-= cbu.cam.ac.uk</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001p= t; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span> </span><= /div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cal= ibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><b= r></div></div></div></div></span></body></html> --B_3445248126_17708964--