Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] SV: RE: Perceptual basis of evolving western musical styles From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Hern=E1n_Rodriguez_Zivic?= <=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Hern=E1n_Rodriguez_Zivic?=> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:33:41 -0300 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--e89a8f3ba55fd3128b04de534b00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David, Thank you! I'm glad that both, Eric has a concern about my analysis, and you don't. Otherwise, there would be no discussion :). With respect to the selection bias of the corpus, it may be. However, if you look in the Supporting Information, we did a control by projecting another corpus (the Alicante's 9GDB) into the factors, and we found very similar results. However, I don't exactly recall how the projection values where for the 9GDB corpus with respect to the IR principles. You are right with respect to the Baroque overshoot. Yet, the end of the Baroque is a very arbitrary date as well, since it's the year of Bach's death. So, it could be the case that for 20 years after Bach died, similar music was still been written (maybe someone who knows more about music history can tell me if this make sense). Anyway, thanks for your comments!! Pablo On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:50 AM, David Morris <dmorris@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Pablo, > > I don't share Eric's concern about a drawback and found this article > definitely worthy of your shameless self-promotion. Congratulations. It= 's > perplexing that the closure projection results for the Classical period a= re > so low. I would have ex=E5ected them to be amongst the highest. Could t= his > relate to selection bias in the corpus, or does it have to do with the > definition (as per the Carol and Krumhansl reference which I should > probably try and wrap my feeble mind around). Also, on account of the tw= o > deaths that occured, I think that the second year overshoots the end of t= he > Baroque by 20 years, but that doesn't effect your analysis. > > All the best > > David --=20 http://pablozivic.com.ar/ --e89a8f3ba55fd3128b04de534b00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi David,<div><br></div><div style>Thank you!=A0</div><div= style>I'm glad that both, Eric has a concern about my analysis, and yo= u don't. Otherwise, there would be no discussion :).</div><div style><b= r> </div><div style>With respect to the selection bias of the corpus, it may b= e. However, if you look in the Supporting Information, we did a control by = projecting another corpus (the Alicante's 9GDB) into the factors, and w= e found very similar results. However, I don't exactly recall how the p= rojection values where for the 9GDB corpus with respect to the IR principle= s.=A0</div> <div style><br></div><div style>You are right with respect to the Baroque o= vershoot. Yet, the end of the Baroque is a very arbitrary date as well, sin= ce it's the year of Bach's death. So, it could be the case that for= 20 years after Bach died, similar music was still been written (maybe some= one who knows more about music history can tell me if this make sense).</di= v> <div style><br></div><div style>Anyway, thanks for your comments!!</div><di= v style><br></div><div style>Pablo</div><div style><br></div></div><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 a= t 7:50 AM, David Morris <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:dmorris@xxxxxxxx= .ku.dk" target=3D"_blank">dmorris@xxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Pablo,<br> <br> I don't share Eric's concern about a drawback and found this articl= e definitely worthy of your shameless self-promotion. =A0Congratulations. = =A0It's perplexing that the closure projection results for the Classica= l period are so low. =A0I would have ex=E5ected them to be amongst the high= est. =A0Could this relate to selection bias in the corpus, or does it have = to do with the definition (as per the Carol and Krumhansl reference which I= should probably try and wrap my feeble mind around). =A0Also, on account o= f the two deaths that occured, I think that the second year overshoots the = end of the Baroque by 20 years, but that doesn't effect your analysis.<= br> <br> All the best<br> <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br> David</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>= -- <br><a href=3D"http://pablozivic.com.ar/" target=3D"_blank">http://pablo= zivic.com.ar/</a> </div> --e89a8f3ba55fd3128b04de534b00--