Re: [AUDITORY] Note durations in music (Edward Large )


Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Note durations in music
From:    Edward Large  <large@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:48:39 -0400
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--Apple-Mail=_8F3BD451-9656-4CB6-8427-2C3EA9C9CBB6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Ani and list, I can't seem to think of any paper that has done such measurements systemat= ically. But I would caution that notated duration in music is fundamentally about o= nset-onset time, not onset-offset time. So, while studying midi renderings (or other= =20 notation-related representations) would provide an answer to this question,= it would be of questionable value.The only way to get a reasonable answer would be to study audio recordings of performances.=20 Ed Edward Large, Ph.D. Professor of Complex Systems & Brain Sciences Florida Atlantic University www.ccs.fau.edu/~large On Jun 12, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "Patel, Aniruddh D." <a.patel@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear list, >=20=20 > I=92m trying to find papers which report measurements of two aspects of n= ote duration in solo instrumental monophonic music (e.g., recordings of sol= o violin, cello, trumpet, clarinet, flute, etc. =96 not piano, guitar, or o= ther instruments that can play multiple notes simultaneously). >=20=20 > 1. The average duration of notes in a piece > 2. A histogram of note durations in the piece >=20=20 > Thus for example this solo cello prelude by JS Bach last about 4 minutes = and contains N notes (anybody know?), so the average note duration in this = piece is about N/240 notes/sec.=20=20 >=20=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdtLKjeEssAo >=20=20 > If one could measure the duration of each note in this recording, then on= e could plot the histogram of note durations in the piece. >=20=20 > Is anyone aware of such data for any solo monophonic instrument? Musical= style doesn=92t matter (can be classical, folk, etc.).=20=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20=20 > Ani Patel >=20=20 >=20=20 > Aniruddh D. Patel > Associate Professor > Dept. of Psychology > Tufts University > 490 Boston Ave. > Medford, MA 02115 >=20=20 > a.patel@xxxxxxxx > http://ase.tufts.edu/psychology/peoplePatel.htm >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Apple-Mail=_8F3BD451-9656-4CB6-8427-2C3EA9C9CBB6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset= =3Dwindows-1252"><base href=3D"x-msg://106/"></head><body style=3D"word-wra= p: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-sp= ace; ">Hi Ani and list,<div><br></div><div>I can't seem to think of any pap= er that has done such measurements systematically.</div><div>But I would ca= ution that notated duration in music is fundamentally about onset-onset</di= v><div>time, not onset-offset time. So, while studying midi renderings (or = other&nbsp;</div><div>notation-related&nbsp;representations) would provide = an answer to this question, it would</div><div>be of questionable value.The= only way to get a reasonable answer would be to</div><div>study audio reco= rdings of performances.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Ed</div><div><br></d= iv><div>Edward Large, Ph.D.</div><div><div>Professor of Complex Systems &am= p; Brain Sciences</div><div>Florida Atlantic University</div></div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.ccs.fau.edu/~large">www.ccs.fau.edu/~large</a></div><div= ><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jun 12, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "Pate= l, Aniruddh D." &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a.patel@xxxxxxxx">a.patel@xxxxxxxx<= /a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote typ= e=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"font= -family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: no= rmal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orp= hans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust= : auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class=3D"WordSection1" style= =3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size= : 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Dear list,<o:p></o:p></div><div= style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt= ; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I=92m trying to find= papers which report measurements of two aspects of note duration in solo i= nstrumental monophonic music (e.g., recordings of solo violin, cello, trump= et, clarinet, flute, etc. =96 not piano, guitar, or other instruments that = can play multiple notes simultaneously).<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"marg= in: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">= <o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-s= ize: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span>= 1.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: nor= mal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "= >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">= &nbsp;</span></span></span>The average duration of notes in a piece<o:p></o= :p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; fon= t-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span>2.<span style= =3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-siz= e: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>= </span></span>A histogram of note durations in the piece<o:p></o:p></div><d= iv style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri= , sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001= pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thus for example t= his solo cello prelude by JS Bach last about 4 minutes and contains N notes= (anybody know?), so the average note duration in this piece is about N/240= notes/sec.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.000= 1pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>= </div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family:= Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdtLKjeE= ssAo" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.yout= ube.com/watch?v=3DdtLKjeEssAo</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in= 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&n= bsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; fo= nt-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If one could measure the duration of each= note in this recording, then one could plot the histogram of note duration= s in the piece.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; fon= t-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><d= iv style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri= , sans-serif; ">Is anyone aware of such data for any solo monophonic instru= ment?&nbsp; Musical style doesn=92t matter (can be classical, folk, etc.).&= nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br><br>Thanks,<o:p= ></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-= family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin:= 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ani= Patel<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 1= 1pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style= =3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-s= erif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font= -size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Aniruddh D. Patel<o:p></o:= p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-famil= y: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Associate Professor<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D= "margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri= f; ">Dept. of Psychology<br>Tufts University<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"= margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif= ; ">490 Boston Ave.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;= font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Medford, MA 02115<o:p= ></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-= family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin:= 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a = href=3D"mailto:a.patel@xxxxxxxx" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: = underline; ">a.patel@xxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0i= n 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a hre= f=3D"http://ase.tufts.edu/psychology/peoplePatel.htm" style=3D"color: purpl= e; text-decoration: underline; ">http://ase.tufts.edu/psychology/peoplePate= l.htm</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size= : 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div sty= le=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans= -serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; fo= nt-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><= div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibr= i, sans-serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><br>--<span class=3D"Apple-co= nverted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>This message has been scanned for viruses a= nd<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>dangerous content = by<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"http://www.= mailscanner.info/" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><b= >MailScanner</b></a>, and is<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</s= pan><br>believed to be clean.</div></blockquote></div><br></div><br />--=20 <br />This message has been scanned for viruses and <br />dangerous content by <a href=3D"http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is <br />believed to be clean. </body></html> --Apple-Mail=_8F3BD451-9656-4CB6-8427-2C3EA9C9CBB6--


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