Re: [AUDITORY] AUDITORY Digest -new email address (Marian Brandreth )


Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] AUDITORY Digest -new email address
From:    Marian Brandreth  <Marian.Brandreth@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:28:52 +0100
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Please could you change my contact details and email address to this: Marian Brandreth Principal Clinical Scientist Medical Physics & Clinical Engineering Queen's Medical Centre Campus Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust Derby Road Nottingham NG7 2UH Email: marian.brandreth@xxxxxxxx Previous contact was the following; Marian Brandreth Senior Clinical Scientist (Audiology) National Institute for Health Research Nottingham Hearing Biomedical Resear= ch Unit Ropewalk House, 113 The Ropewalk, Nottingham NG1 5DU t: +44 (0)115 823 2614 (direct) | t: +44 (0)115 823 2600 (reception) | w: w= ww.hearing.nihr.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= On Behalf Of AUDITORY automatic digest system [LISTSERV@xxxxxxxx Sent: 17 June 2013 05:04 To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: AUDITORY Digest - 15 Jun 2013 to 16 Jun 2013 (#2013-144) There is 1 message totalling 514 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Note durations in music ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 01:00:22 -0400 From: Kevin Austin <kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Note durations in music This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_eE5ts0RTJKU/k/dDmfTLZw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Having pondered the question and the responses for a few days=3D2C I still= =3D am not clear on the core issue=3D2E For me this is partly tied up with th= =3D e lack of definitions of the term =3D22note=3D22=3D2E In my classes I try t= o a=3D void the word without specific context to delimit the meaning=3D2E There are two =3D5Bor more=3D5D possible interpretations here=3D3A =3D5B1=3D5D onset time to onset time =3D5B2=3D5D duration of the sounding element =3D5B2a=3D5D adding the duration of any non-sounding element=3D5Bs=3D5D --= rest=3D s or silences There is not a great deal 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