Re: Excessive requests for papers ("Baskent, D (kno)" )


Subject: Re: Excessive requests for papers
From:    "Baskent, D (kno)"  <d.baskent@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Thu, 3 Apr 2014 10:02:11 +0000
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--_000_7F70017CAB3A774590D32F4B576CA4EE4FED9EC6WPZKH0219zkhumc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Giuseppe, Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I just wanted to say that this email co= vered everything that I was going to put in a similar email (sans the last = item about leaving the list.. :)..). I feel this is a wonderful medium we h= ave and we should use it fully with no censoring, and let people exchange i= deas, papers, criticism and anything else related to auditory topics. Best, Deniz Baskent ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= on behalf of Giuseppe Buzzanca [pino.buzzanca@xxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 11:32 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Excessive requests for papers Dear List: please allow me a few very short considerations. I apologize in advance. 1. I do not feel =93bombarded=94 at all by paper requests; 2. I believe that this topic (paper requests) has been discussed in the pas= t, and it has been decided that it is ok to ask for papers; 3. There might be a certain number of us living in places or working for un= iversities where it can be objectively hard to readily get papers, even if = these papers can be deemed =93regularly available=94 by others who maybe li= ve in richer parts of the world or work for wealthier universities; 4. One of the purposes of a list like this one should be to provide scienti= sts with the ability to access information and data from multiple sources (= papers included); 5. I personally feel VERY uncomfortable when someone intervenes to censor (= maybe arbitrarily?) other Colleagues. 6. I know this is not important at all, but should this happen again, I wou= ld have no other choice but leaving the list right away. Best regards, Giuseppe Buzzanca Pd.D., M.D. 2014-04-03 10:25 GMT+02:00 Brian FG Katz <brian.katz@xxxxxxxx<mailto:brian.= katz@xxxxxxxx>>: Dear Auditory List, I would like to return to a point of discussion which was made some years a= go regarding paper requests. It is acknowledged that some research articles, due to their age or presenc= e in an obscure hard to find conference proceedings, are difficult to get y= our hands on, and a request for help in finding them is not inappropriate, = especially after some effort have been made by the requester to search vari= ous libraries. It is not however appropriate to ask the list for copies of *regularly avai= lable* articles, especially from those associated with a university where t= he articles can easily be obtained through basic library services (albeit s= ometime with some fee to the lab), and *especially* for an article with a c= learly identifiable DOI! The Auditory list is not a replacement for your activities as a researcher = to actually research information. Please refrain from bombarding all our emails with such requests until you = have made a real effort to find the article in question. Cordially, -- Brian FG Katz, Ph.D, HDR Audio & Acoustique LIMSI - CNRS BP 133 F-91403 ORSAY CEDEX Phone. + 33 (0)1 69 85 81 55<tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2081%2055= > - Fax. + 33 (0)1 69 85 80 88<tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2080%2= 088> http://www.limsi.fr web_group: http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/ web_theme: http://www.l= imsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsonesp/ Ce message et toutes les pi=E8ces jointes sont confidentiels et =E9tablis = =E0 l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autoris=E9e est interdite. This message and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for t= he addressees. Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited. De : AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= LL.CA<mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>] De la part de Patricia P=E9rez Gonz= =E1lez Envoy=E9 : jeudi 3 avril 2014 09:58 =C0 : AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Objet : [AUDITORY] Request for paper Dear list, I'm looking for this paper: J. Verschuure and P.P.G van Benthem (1992). "Effect of Hearing Aids on Spee= ch Perception in Noisy Situations" International Journal of Audiology, Vol. 31, No. 4 , Pages 205-221 (doi:10.= 3109/00206099209081656) Anyone have a copy of this? Thank you very much! Cheers, Patri -- Patricia P=E9rez Gonz=E1lez Laboratorio de Audici=F3n Computacional y Psicoac=FAstica (Lab. 2) Instituto de Neurociencias de Castilla y Le=F3n Universidad de Salamanca, C/ Pintor Fernando Gallego n=BA 1 37007 Salamanca, Spain. Tel. +34-923 294 500 ext. 1983<tel:%2B34-923%20294%20500%20ext.%201983> E-mail: patripg@xxxxxxxx<mailto:patripg@xxxxxxxx> -- Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica sono riservate e confidenziali e ne e' vietata la diffusione in qualunque modoeseguita.Qualora Lei non fosse la persona a cui il presente messaggio e' destinato, La invitiamo gentilmente ad eliminarlo dopo averne dato tempestiva comunicazione al mittente e a non utilizzare in alcun caso il suo contenuto.Qualsivoglia utilizzo non autorizzato di questo messaggio e dei suoi eventuali allegati espone il responsabile alle relative conseguenze civili e penali. Giuseppe Buzzanca ________________________________ De inhoud van dit bericht is vertrouwelijk en alleen bestemd voor de geadre= sseerde(n). Anderen dan de geadresseerde(n) mogen geen gebruik maken van di= t bericht, het niet openbaar maken of op enige wijze verspreiden of vermeni= gvuldigen. Het UMCG kan niet aansprakelijk gesteld worden voor een incomple= te aankomst of vertraging van dit verzonden bericht. The contents of this message are confidential and only intended for the eye= s of the addressee(s). Others than the addressee(s) are not allowed to use = this message, to make it public or to distribute or multiply this message i= n any way. The UMCG cannot be held responsible for incomplete reception or = delay of this transferred message. --_000_7F70017CAB3A774590D32F4B576CA4EE4FED9EC6WPZKH0219zkhumc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html dir=3D"ltr"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> <style id=3D"owaParaStyle" type=3D"text/css">P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:= 0;}</style> </head> <body ocsi=3D"0" fpstyle=3D"1"> <div style=3D"direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: = 10pt;"><br> Dear Giuseppe,<br> <br> Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I just wanted to say that this email co= vered everything that I was going to put in a similar email (sans the last = item about leaving the list.. :)..). I feel this is a wonderful medium we h= ave and we should use it fully with no censoring, and let people exchange ideas, papers, criticism and anythin= g else related to auditory topics. <br> <br> Best,<br> Deniz Baskent<br> <br> <div style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; color: #000000; font-size: 16px= "> <hr tabindex=3D"-1"> <div style=3D"direction: ltr;" id=3D"divRpF654430"><font color=3D"#000000" = face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Per= ception [AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx on behalf of Giuseppe Buzzanca [pino.buz= zanca@xxxxxxxx<br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 03, 2014 11:32 AM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AUDITORY] Excessive requests for papers<br> </font><br> </div> <div></div> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt; text-align:justify;= line-height:150%"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:'Adobe Garamon= d Pro',serif" lang=3D"EN-US">Dear List:</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt; text-align:justify;= line-height:150%"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:'Adobe Garamon= d Pro',serif" lang=3D"EN-US">please allow me a few very short consideration= s. I apologize in advance.</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt; text-align:justify;= line-height:150%"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:'Adobe Garamon= d Pro',serif" lang=3D"EN-US">1. I do not feel =93bombarded=94 at all by pap= er requests;</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt; text-align:justify;= line-height:150%"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:'Adobe Garamon= d Pro',serif" lang=3D"EN-US">2. I believe that this topic (paper requests) = has been discussed in the past, and it has been decided that it is ok to as= k for papers;</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt; text-align:justify;= line-height:150%"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:'Adobe Garamon= d Pro',serif" lang=3D"EN-US">3. There might be a certain number of us livin= g in places or working for universities where it can be objectively hard to= readily get papers, even if these papers can be deemed =93regularly available=94 by others who maybe live in richer= parts of the world or work for wealthier universities;</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt; text-align:justify;= line-height:150%"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:'Adobe Garamon= d Pro',serif" lang=3D"EN-US">4. One of the purposes of a list like this one= should be to provide scientists with the ability to access information and= data from multiple sources (papers included);</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt; text-align:justify;= line-height:150%"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:'Adobe Garamon= d Pro',serif" lang=3D"EN-US">5. I personally feel VERY uncomfortable when s= omeone intervenes to censor (maybe arbitrarily?) other Colleagues.</span></= p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt; text-align:justify;= line-height:150%"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:'Adobe Garamon= d Pro',serif" lang=3D"EN-US">6. I know this is not important at all, but sh= ould this happen again, I would have no other choice but leaving the list r= ight away. </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt; text-align:justify;= line-height:150%"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:'Adobe Garamon= d Pro',serif" lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards, Giuseppe Buzzanca Pd.D., M.D.</s= pan></p> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-04-03 10:25 GMT&#43;02:00 Brian FG Katz <sp= an dir=3D"ltr"> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:brian.katz@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">brian.katz@xxxxxxxx= si.fr</a>&gt;</span>:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1= px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex"> Dear Auditory List,<br> <br> I would like to return to a point of discussion which was made some years a= go regarding paper requests.<br> <br> It is acknowledged that some research articles, due to their age or presenc= e in an obscure hard to find conference proceedings, are difficult to get y= our hands on, and a request for help in finding them is not inappropriate, = especially after some effort have been made by the requester to search various libraries.<br> <br> It is not however appropriate to ask the list for copies of *regularly avai= lable* articles, especially from those associated with a university where t= he articles can easily be obtained through basic library services (albeit s= ometime with some fee to the lab), and *especially* for an article with a clearly identifiable DOI!<br> <br> The Auditory list is not a replacement for your activities as a researcher = to actually research information.<br> <br> Please refrain from bombarding all our emails with such requests until you = have made a real effort to find the article in question.<br> <br> Cordially,<br> <br> --<br> Brian FG Katz, Ph.D, HDR<br> Audio &amp; Acoustique<br> LIMSI - CNRS<br> BP 133<br> F-91403 ORSAY CEDEX<br> Phone. <a href=3D"tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2081%2055" value=3D"= &#43;33169858155" target=3D"_blank"> &#43; 33 (0)1 69 85 81 55</a> - Fax. &nbsp;<a href=3D"tel:%2B%20%2033%20%28= 0%291%2069%2085%2080%2088" value=3D"&#43;33169858088" target=3D"_blank">&#4= 3; 33 (0)1 69 85 80 88</a><br> <a href=3D"http://www.limsi.fr" target=3D"_blank">http://www.limsi.fr</a><b= r> <br> web_group: <a href=3D"http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/" target=3D"_blan= k">http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/</a> &nbsp; &nbsp; web_theme: <a href=3D"http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsonesp/" target=3D"_blank= ">http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsonesp/</a><br> Ce message et toutes les pi=E8ces jointes sont confidentiels et =E9tablis = =E0 l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires.<br> Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autoris=E9e est interdite.<br> This message and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for t= he addressees.<br> Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited.<br> <br> De : AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:A= UDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a>] De= la part de Patricia P=E9rez Gonz=E1lez<br> Envoy=E9 : jeudi 3 avril 2014 09:58<br> =C0 : <a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">AUDITOR= Y@xxxxxxxx</a><br> Objet : [AUDITORY] Request for paper<br> <br> Dear list,<br> <br> I'm looking for this paper:<br> <br> J. Verschuure and P.P.G van Benthem (1992). &quot;Effect of Hearing Aids on= Speech Perception in Noisy Situations&quot;<br> International Journal of Audiology, Vol. 31, No. 4 , Pages 205-221 (doi:10.= 3109/00206099209081656)<br> <br> Anyone have a copy of this?<br> Thank you very much!<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Patri<br> <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">--<br> Patricia P=E9rez Gonz=E1lez<br> Laboratorio de Audici=F3n Computacional y Psicoac=FAstica (Lab. 2)<br> Instituto de Neurociencias de Castilla y Le=F3n<br> Universidad de Salamanca,<br> C/ Pintor Fernando Gallego n=BA 1<br> 37007 Salamanca, Spain.<br> <br> <br> Tel. <a href=3D"tel:%2B34-923%20294%20500%20ext.%201983" value=3D"&#43;3492= 3294500" target=3D"_blank"> &#43;34-923 294 500 ext. 1983</a><br> E-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:patripg@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">patripg@xxxxxxxx= s</a><br> </font></span></blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear=3D"all"> <div><br> </div> -- <br> Le informazioni contenute in questo<br> messaggio di posta elettronica sono<br> riservate e confidenziali e ne e' vietata la<br> diffusione in qualunque<br> modoeseguita.Qualora Lei non fosse la<br> persona a cui il presente messaggio e'<br> destinato, La invitiamo gentilmente ad<br> eliminarlo dopo averne dato tempestiva<br> comunicazione al mittente e a non<br> utilizzare in alcun caso il suo<br> contenuto.Qualsivoglia utilizzo non<br> autorizzato di questo messaggio e dei suoi<br> eventuali allegati espone il responsabile<br> alle relative conseguenze civili e penali.<br> Giuseppe Buzzanca </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <hr> De inhoud van dit bericht is vertrouwelijk en alleen bestemd voor de geadre= sseerde(n). Anderen dan de geadresseerde(n) mogen geen gebruik maken van di= t bericht, het niet openbaar maken of op enige wijze verspreiden of vermeni= gvuldigen. Het UMCG kan niet aansprakelijk gesteld worden voor een incomplete aankomst of vertraging van dit verzonde= n bericht. <br> <br> The contents of this message are confidential and only intended for the eye= s of the addressee(s). Others than the addressee(s) are not allowed to use = this message, to make it public or to distribute or multiply this message i= n any way. The UMCG cannot be held responsible for incomplete reception or delay of this transferred message. </body> </html> --_000_7F70017CAB3A774590D32F4B576CA4EE4FED9EC6WPZKH0219zkhumc_--


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