Subject: Re: Neural mechanisms of octave equivalence From: Diana Deutsch <ddeutsch@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:55:59 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--Apple-Mail=_F977C0A6-4B63-49CB-AF6C-DE95E4D685C6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My early 1969 article : Deutsch, D. Music Recognition. Psychological Review, 1969, 76, 300-309, = [PDF Document = <http://deutsch.ucsd.edu/pdf/PsychRev-1969_76_300-307.pdf>] proposed a neural network in which octave equivalence is subserved by = multipeak neurons that are spaced at octave intervals. It also proposes = neural underpinnings=20 of other characteristics of octave equivalence.=20 Diana - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Professor Diana Deutsch Department of Psychology =20 University of California, San Diego 9500 Gilman Dr. #0109 =20 La Jolla, CA 92093-0109, USA tel: 858-453-1558=20 http://deutsch.ucsd.edu http://philomel.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > On Sep 24, 2016, at 2:45 AM, Ian Cross <ic108@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >=20 > Hi, Ani: A paper that you might find of interest is Moerel, M., De = Martino, F., Santoro, R., Yacoub, E., & Formisano, E. (2015). = Representation of pitch chroma by multi-peak spectral tuning in human = auditory cortex. NeuroImage, 106(0), 161-169. >=20 >=20 > On 24/09/2016 08:59, Alain de Cheveigne wrote: >> Hi Ani,=20 >>=20 >> Octave =E2=80=9Cequivalence=E2=80=9D is an emergent property of both = pattern-matching and autocorrelation models of pitch. All harmonics of = the tone at the octave belong to the harmonic series of the lower tone. = Likewise autocorrelation peaks of the lower tone coincide with peaks of = the tone at the octave. Some neural instantiations of these models are = Shihab Shamma=E2=80=99s harmonic template model, or Cariani=E2=80=99s = work on autocorrelation (based on Licklider=E2=80=99s ideas), and there = are many others. Whether or not any specific model is supported by = anatomical or electrophysiological data is less clear. >>=20 >> Actually =E2=80=9Cequivalence=E2=80=9D is a misnomer. The relation is = not commutative: the harmonics of the lower tone do not all belong to = the harmonic series of the octave. Likewise peaks of the = autocorrelation of the octave tone are not all peaks of the lower tone. = Thus these models would predict an asymmetry in the perceptual = similarity between octaves (i.e. an octave tone =E2=80=9Cresembles=E2=80=9D= the lower tone but not vice-versa). I don=E2=80=99t know of any = relevant behavioral data or music-theoretical results on this. >>=20 >> Alain >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 >> de Cheveign=C3=A9, A. (2005) Pitch perception models. In: Pitch - = Neural coding and perception (Plack C, Oxenham A, eds). New York: = Springer, 169-233. (http://audition.ens.fr/adc/pdf/2005_pitch_SHAR.pdf = <http://audition.ens.fr/adc/pdf/2005_pitch_SHAR.pdf>) >> Shamma S, and Klein D (2000) The case of the missing pitch templates: = how harmonic templates emerge in the early auditory system. J Acoust Soc = Am 107:2631-2644. >> Cariani PA, and Delgutte B (1996b) Neural correlates of the pitch of = complex tones. II. Pitch shift, pitch ambiguity, phase-invariance, pitch = circularity, rate-pitch and the dominance region for pitch. J = Neurophysiol 76:1717-1734. >> Licklider JCR (1951) A duplex theory of pitch perception (reproduced = in Schubert 1979, 155-160). Experientia 7:128-134. >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 23 Sep 2016, at 13:06, Patel, Aniruddh D. <a.patel@xxxxxxxx> = <mailto:a.patel@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Dear List, >>> =20 >>> Is anyone aware on theoretical or empirical papers on the neural = mechanisms of octave equivalence in auditory perception? >>> =20 >>> Interestingly, recent works suggests that songbirds may not perceive = octave equivalence: >>> =20 >>> Hoeschele, M., Weisman, R. G., Guillette, L. M., Hahn, A. H., & = Sturdy, C. B. (2013). Chickadees fail standardized operant tests for = octave equivalence. Animal cognition, 16(4), 599-609. >>> =20 >>> Thanks, >>> =20 >>> Ani Patel >>> =20 >>> Aniruddh D. Patel >>> Professor >>> Dept. of Psychology >>> Tufts University >>> 490 Boston Ave. >>> Medford, MA 02155 >>> =20 >>> Senior Fellow >>> Canadian Institute for Advanced Research (CIFAR) >>> Azrieli Program in Brain, Mind, & Consciousness >>> =20 >>> a.patel@xxxxxxxx <mailto:a.patel@xxxxxxxx> >>> http://ase.tufts.edu/psychology/people/patel/ = <http://ase.tufts.edu/psychology/people/patel/> >=20 > --=20 > Ian Cross > Director, Centre for Music & Science > Faculty of Music > University of Cambridge > Cambridge CB3 9DP > www.cam.ac.uk/~cross <http://www.cam.ac.uk/~cross> --Apple-Mail=_F977C0A6-4B63-49CB-AF6C-DE95E4D685C6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D"">My early 1969 article :<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana, geneva, = Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: = rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=3D"">Deutsch, D. Music = Recognition. </span><i style=3D"font-family: Verdana, geneva, = Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: = rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=3D"">Psychological Review</i><span = style=3D"font-family: Verdana, geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; = orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=3D"">,= 1969, 76, 300-309, </span><nobr style=3D"font-family: Verdana, = geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; orphans: 2; widows: 2; = background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=3D"">[<a = href=3D"http://deutsch.ucsd.edu/pdf/PsychRev-1969_76_300-307.pdf" = target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 102, 204); text-decoration: = none;" class=3D"">PDF Document</a>]</nobr></div><div class=3D""><div = style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Verdana, = geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=3D""><span = style=3D"white-space: nowrap; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" = class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></font></div><div style=3D"orphans: 2; = widows: 2;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Verdana, geneva, Arial, Helvetica, = sans-serif" class=3D""><span style=3D"white-space: nowrap; = background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=3D"">proposed a neural = network in which octave equivalence is subserved by multipeak = neurons that are spaced at octave intervals. It also proposes = neural underpinnings </span></font></div><div style=3D"orphans:= 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Verdana, geneva, Arial, = Helvetica, sans-serif" class=3D""><span style=3D"white-space: nowrap; = background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=3D"">of other = characteristics of octave equivalence. </span></font></div><div = style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Verdana, = geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=3D""><span = style=3D"white-space: nowrap; background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" = class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></font></div><div style=3D"orphans: 2; = widows: 2;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Verdana, geneva, Arial, Helvetica, = sans-serif" class=3D""><span style=3D"white-space: nowrap; = background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" = class=3D"">Diana</span></font></div><div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: = 2;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Verdana, geneva, Arial, Helvetica, = sans-serif" class=3D""><span style=3D"white-space: nowrap; = background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></span></font></div><div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12px; text-align: -webkit-auto;" = class=3D"">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = -</span></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space; " class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space; " class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; line-height: normal; border-spacing: = 0px;"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; "><div = class=3D"">Professor Diana Deutsch</div><div class=3D"">Department of = Psychology = </div><div class=3D"">University of = California, San Diego</div><div class=3D"">9500 Gilman Dr. #0109 = </div><div class=3D"">La Jolla, = CA 92093-0109, USA</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D"">tel: = 858-453-1558 </div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://deutsch.ucsd.edu" = class=3D"">http://deutsch.ucsd.edu</a></div><div class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://philomel.com" class=3D"">http://philomel.com</a></div><div = class=3D"">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = -</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></span></span></div></div> </div> <br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On Sep 24, 2016, at 2:45 AM, Ian Cross <<a = href=3D"mailto:ic108@xxxxxxxx" class=3D"">ic108@xxxxxxxx</a>> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""> =20 <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000" class=3D""> Hi, Ani: A paper that you might find of interest is Moerel, M., De Martino, F., Santoro, R., Yacoub, E., & Formisano, E. (2015). Representation of pitch chroma by multi-peak spectral tuning in human auditory cortex. <i class=3D"">NeuroImage</i>, 106(0), = 161-169.<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 24/09/2016 08:59, Alain de = Cheveigne wrote:<br class=3D""> </div> <blockquote = cite=3D"mid:5718_1474709455_57E647CF_5718_564_1_21E07610-7E8E-4CEF-ACB1-48= 8EAB7362D3@xxxxxxxx" type=3D"cite" class=3D""> <pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"">Hi Ani,=20 Octave =E2=80=9Cequivalence=E2=80=9D is an emergent property of both = pattern-matching and autocorrelation models of pitch. All harmonics of = the tone at the octave belong to the harmonic series of the lower tone. = Likewise autocorrelation peaks of the lower tone coincide with peaks of = the tone at the octave. Some neural instantiations of these models are = Shihab Shamma=E2=80=99s harmonic template model, or Cariani=E2=80=99s = work on autocorrelation (based on Licklider=E2=80=99s ideas), and there = are many others. Whether or not any specific model is supported by = anatomical or electrophysiological data is less clear. Actually =E2=80=9Cequivalence=E2=80=9D is a misnomer. The relation is = not commutative: the harmonics of the lower tone do not all belong to = the harmonic series of the octave. Likewise peaks of the = autocorrelation of the octave tone are not all peaks of the lower tone. = Thus these models would predict an asymmetry in the perceptual = similarity between octaves (i.e. an octave tone =E2=80=9Cresembles=E2=80=9D= the lower tone but not vice-versa). I don=E2=80=99t know of any = relevant behavioral data or music-theoretical results on this. Alain =E2=80=94 de Cheveign=C3=A9, A. (2005) Pitch perception models. In: Pitch - Neural = coding and perception (Plack C, Oxenham A, eds). New York: Springer, = 169-233. (<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://audition.ens.fr/adc/pdf/2005_pitch_SHAR.pdf">http://auditio= n.ens.fr/adc/pdf/2005_pitch_SHAR.pdf</a>) Shamma S, and Klein D (2000) The case of the missing pitch templates: = how harmonic templates emerge in the early auditory system. J Acoust Soc = Am 107:2631-2644. Cariani PA, and Delgutte B (1996b) Neural correlates of the pitch of = complex tones. II. Pitch shift, pitch ambiguity, phase-invariance, pitch = circularity, rate-pitch and the dominance region for pitch. J = Neurophysiol 76:1717-1734. Licklider JCR (1951) A duplex theory of pitch perception (reproduced in = Schubert 1979, 155-160). Experientia 7:128-134. </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""> <pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"">On 23 Sep 2016, at 13:06, Patel, = Aniruddh D. <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" = href=3D"mailto:a.patel@xxxxxxxx"><a.patel@xxxxxxxx></a> wrote: Dear List, =20 Is anyone aware on theoretical or empirical papers on the neural = mechanisms of octave equivalence in auditory perception? =20 Interestingly, recent works suggests that songbirds may not perceive = octave equivalence: =20 Hoeschele, M., Weisman, R. G., Guillette, L. M., Hahn, A. H., & = Sturdy, C. B. (2013). Chickadees fail standardized operant tests for = octave equivalence. Animal cognition, 16(4), 599-609. =20 Thanks, =20 Ani Patel =20 Aniruddh D. Patel Professor Dept. of Psychology Tufts University 490 Boston Ave. Medford, MA 02155 =20 Senior Fellow Canadian Institute for Advanced Research (CIFAR) Azrieli Program in Brain, Mind, & Consciousness =20 <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:a.patel@xxxxxxxx">a.patel@xxxxxxxx</a> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://ase.tufts.edu/psychology/people/patel/">http://ase.tufts.ed= u/psychology/people/patel/</a> </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <br class=3D""> <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20 Ian Cross Director, Centre for Music & Science Faculty of Music University of Cambridge Cambridge CB3 9DP <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"http://www.cam.ac.uk/~cross">www.cam.ac.uk/~cross</a></pre> </div> </div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></div></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_F977C0A6-4B63-49CB-AF6C-DE95E4D685C6--