Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Moving the AUDITORY list? From: "Bernstein,Leslie" <lbernstein@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 18:58:59 +0000 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--_004_d9c516bac0b64db289fab22fc4cb6a01NSOITEXCMB21uchcnet_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_d9c516bac0b64db289fab22fc4cb6a01NSOITEXCMB21uchcnet_" --_000_d9c516bac0b64db289fab22fc4cb6a01NSOITEXCMB21uchcnet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have no dog in this hunt. I thought Roy's common-sense message was thoug= htful, deferential, and expressed an appreciation many of us have for the m= aintenance of this list. I found Peter's argumentative and challenging to= ne to be rather off-putting. Such is the nature of electronic communication= for some. Roy need not back up his statements and opinions with evidence.= This isn't a formal debate. Those who disagree have stated their case an= d anyone is free to do that without challenging others. As for privacy, yes, this is 2018. This, however, is an auditory list. I = perceive little risk to my privacy. Even if all of the communications on t= he list were, somehow, made available to the general public, I, for one, wo= uld lose no sleep. I don't plan on posting personal information here. As = for the freedom of information, even if a vendor discontinued the service, = that would hardly constitute a crisis. Again, I have no particular affinit= y for one solution over another. I hope that the various concerns can be k= ept in perspective and that civil discourse will continue. Les B. On 10/25/2018 3:57 AM, Peter P. wrote: Dear Roy, * Roy D. Patterson <rdp1@xxxxxxxx><mailto:rdp1@xxxxxxxx> [2018-10-25 06:0= 7]: [...] Having followed the discussion on the list with interest, I think migrating to Google Groups is a reasonable option, Can you give the reasons that support this option? [...] Dear List members who have participated in the discussion: I appreciate the reasoned arguments you have put forward, but I think you have not given enough weight to the advantages of the solution that Dan proposes. More weight has been given that can I can extract from this your mail. Alternatives have been suggested, criticism has been expressed (to which you have no replies so far), and people have even offered to host/admin the list. If he does actually have time to implement the move to Google Groups, I think we should accept the offer with our sincere thanks. We have every reason to believe that he will provide us with a solution that will work well for most people. To start afresh with a new volunteer manager involves considerable risk. Have you managed mailing lists yourself? Can you back up your last point here? I would it rephrase as follows. We have every reasong to believe that moving the list to a google product involves considerable risks. Namely to the freedom of information and to our privacy. This is 2018, these things matter now. Peter -- Leslie R. Bernstein, Ph.D. | Professor Depts. of Neuroscience and Surgery (Otolaryngology)| UConn School of Medici= ne 263 Farmington Avenue, Farmington, CT 06030-3401 Office: 860.679.4622 | Fax: 860.679.2495 [cid:part1.E9BBD35A.A705E375@xxxxxxxx --_000_d9c516bac0b64db289fab22fc4cb6a01NSOITEXCMB21uchcnet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> <font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Verdana">I have no dog in this hunt. = I thought Roy's common-sense message was thoughtful, deferential, and expre= ssed an appreciation many of us have for the maintenance of this list. = ; I found Peter's argumentative and challenging tone to be rather off-putting. </font></font><font size=3D"-1"><font face= =3D"Verdana"><font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Verdana">Such is the nature of= electronic communication for some. </font></font>Roy need</font></font><font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Verdana= "><font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Verdana"> not back up his statements and = opinions with evidence. This isn't a formal debate. </font></fon= t> Those who disagree have stated their case and anyone is free to do that without challenging others.<br> <br> As for privacy, yes, this is 2018. This, however, is an auditory list= . I perceive little risk to my privacy. Even if all of the comm= unications on the list were, somehow, made available to the general public,= I, for one, would lose no sleep. I don't plan on posting personal information here. As for the freedom of informat= ion, even if a vendor discontinued the service, that would hardly constitut= e a crisis. Again, I have no particular affinity for one solution ove= r another. I hope that the various concerns can be kept in perspective and that civil discourse will continue.<br> <br> Les B.<br> </font></font><br> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 10/25/2018 3:57 AM, Peter P. wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:31342_1540454204_5BD1773C_31342_17_1_= 20181025074758.kztmkfzg3ecbs2d6@xxxxxxxx"> <pre wrap=3D"">Dear Roy,=0A= =0A= * Roy D. Patterson <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:rdp1@xxxxxxxx= AM.AC.UK"><rdp1@xxxxxxxx></a> [2018-10-25 06:07]:=0A= [...]=0A= </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">Having followed the discussion on the list with interest, I = think=0A= migrating to Google Groups is a reasonable option, =0A= </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D"">Can you give the reasons that support this option?=0A= =0A= [...]=0A= </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">Dear List members who have participated in the discussion: = =0A= =0A= I appreciate the reasoned arguments you have put forward, but I think=0A= you have not given enough weight to the advantages of the solution that=0A= Dan proposes. =0A= </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D"">More weight has been given that can I can extract from this = your mail.=0A= Alternatives have been suggested, criticism has been expressed (to which=0A= you have no replies so far), and people have even offered to host/admin=0A= the list.=0A= =0A= </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">If he does actually have time to implement the move to=0A= Google Groups, I think we should accept the offer with our sincere=0A= thanks. We have every reason to believe that he will provide us with a=0A= solution that will work well for most people. To start afresh with a new=0A= volunteer manager involves considerable risk. =0A= </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D"">Have you managed mailing lists yourself? Can you back up you= r last point=0A= here?=0A= I would it rephrase as follows. We have every reasong to believe that=0A= moving the list to a google product involves considerable risks. Namely=0A= to the freedom of information and to our privacy. This is 2018, these=0A= things matter now.=0A= =0A= Peter=0A= =0A= </pre> </blockquote> <br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature">-- <br> <title></title> <b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif= ;=0A= mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman=0A= \;color\:\#002048"">Leslie R. 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