Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] [External] Re: arXiv web of trust From: Les Bernstein <lbernstein@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 14:50:45 -0400--------------0AaiNQCv9lFV5nr3iFHwpmxL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by edgeum3.it.mcgill.ca id 35AIowm7069284 It is most unfortunate that you do not understand the distinctions=20 between a simple difference between two values and the case when one is=20 a reference.=C2=A0 If Fred earns market value for his work and John does = not,=20 it is not the case that Fred is privileged.=C2=A0 Fred and others should = work=20 to ensure that John is paid market value as well.=C2=A0 If you still fail= or=20 refuse to grasp the difference, then I cannot help you. Indeed, the use of "privileged" implies it is undeserved.=C2=A0 Thank you= for=20 making my point!=C2=A0 I do not have privilege.=C2=A0 Rather, I believe I= have=20 been treated fairly.=C2=A0 The sad truth is that others have not been tre= ated=20 fairly and are not being treated fairly.=C2=A0 I never suggested that suc= h=20 societal inequities and injustices are irrelevant simply because some do=20 not face them. That's your invention.=C2=A0 I did say, that, in our field= , I=20 do not think such injustices are substantive.=C2=A0 It is not for me to=20 acceded to your insistence that I prove the null hypothesis.=C2=A0 It is,= =20 rather, incumbent upon you to demonstrate that, in our field, such=20 injustice exists in substantive fashion. This is not about allies or "sides."=C2=A0 Your thinking reflects the=20 corruption wrought by polarization.=C2=A0 I do not deny the societal ills= =20 identified.=C2=A0 I simply have a different view of how they arose and=20 persist.=C2=A0 That they should be addressed is undeniable, as I see it.=C2= =A0=20 Still, this is the Auditory List.=C2=A0 I limited my comments regarding t= he=20 existence of injustices (or lack thereof), to our field. On 6/10/2023 12:50 PM, Lesicko, Alexandria wrote: > *** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution responding,=20 > opening attachments or clicking on links. *** > > There is no difference. By analogy: =E2=80=9Cit is ok to say that 3 is = 5 less=20 > than 8 but we mustn=E2=80=99t suggest that 8 is 5 more than 3.=E2=80=9D= No matter what=20 > phrasing of it makes you feel comfortable, you are referring to the=20 > same gap of 5, the same inequity in access to resources, support, etc.=20 > There is no such thing as /deserved/ privilege. It would be very weird=20 > to say, =E2=80=9CI deserved to be born white=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CI des= erved to be born a=20 > man.=E2=80=9D Privilege can stem from circumstances outside of our cont= rol.=20 > Regardless, those of us who were born with it still benefit from it.=20 > That does not mean, for example, that I must hate myself to atone for=20 > it, nor does it mean that everything I have accomplished in my life is=20 > a direct cause of my whiteness and must be reduced to this factor. But=20 > it does mean that I very likely had an easier time in my life and my=20 > career than I would have had I been born otherwise. I think=20 > recognizing that is the first step in having more supportive and less=20 > harmful interactions with the people around me who come from different=20 > backgrounds with different lived experiences. > > To those suggesting that these issues are irrelevant to them because=20 > they have succeeded in the face of obstacles, you are again missing=20 > the point. Your personal experience is not universal, and one example=20 > of success does not negate the fact that others suffer the=20 > consequences of bias and discrimination. If you work in science, you=20 > are part of an international community made up of people from diverse=20 > backgrounds, meaning these issues are relevant to you and the manner=20 > in which you engage with other scientists. Further, by saying that=20 > these issues are non-existent, trivial, or irrelevant, you are sending=20 > a message to anyone in your field who may experience bias or=20 > discrimination that they cannot come to you for support and allyship,=20 > because you have already minimized or devalued their experiences.=20 > Thank you to Matt, Mario, David, Ken, and everyone else on this thread=20 > who have demonstrated allyship - one benefit of having these=20 > conversations out in the open is that members of the community know=20 > who they can turn to in the face of such issues. > > *From: *AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception=20 > <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Vani Rajendran=20 > <vani.g.rajendran@xxxxxxxx> > *Date: *Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 4:37 AM > *To: *AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> > *Subject: *Re: [External] Re: arXiv web of trust > > I'm sorry if I'm being thick but what exactly is the difference? > > If the cards are being stacked against rather than in favor... ok...=20 > but who benefits from the stacking? Who decides the stacking? > > Vani > > On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, 22:11 Les Bernstein <lbernstein@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I agree with Ken's views, save for this statement: > > /The cards are stacked in favor of those with privilege... > > /No, the cards are stacked */against /*those unfairly denied > opportunity and dignity.=C2=A0 The difference is both non-trivial a= nd > crucial. > > Les > > On 6/9/2023 4:12 PM, Ken Grant wrote: > > *** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution > responding, opening attachments or clicking on links. *** > > Thank you Alexandria for expressing what it means to have > systemic obstacles and barriers to success throughout our > society. Folks=C2=A0got upset when the Black Lives Matter movem= ent > took off because they were wondering "don't White Lives Matter > as well". Anyone who felt this=C2=A0way misunderstood the entir= e > enterprise. Nobody ever claimed that white lives don't=C2=A0mat= ter, > or matter more, or matter less. A good friend suggested that, > if the Black Lives Matter movement had printed signs that read > "Black Lives Matter Too". While I understood his point and > that I can see how this might have helped white male americans > feel better, this too misses the point. Centuries of > inequities do not get wiped away in an instant. Declaring > racism over is a monstrous=C2=A0error. Some scientists rise to = the > top of their fields by working very very hard. But as the > cartoon displayed, not all children, adolescents, or teens > have the same opportunities. The cards are stacked in favor of > those with privilege,=C2=A0and your comment that recognizing th= is > fact might make us more willing and able to consider these > systemic obstacles. > > On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 12:15=E2=80=AFAM Bernstein,Leslie > <lbernstein@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I disagree.=C2=A0 I think I understand the points and the > reality quite well. > > Les > > -----------------------------------------------------------= ------------- > > *From:*"Lesicko, Alexandria" > <Alexandria.Lesicko@xxxxxxxx> > *Date:* Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 5:06 PM > *To:* "Bernstein,Leslie" <lbernstein@xxxxxxxx>, > AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: [External] Re: arXiv web of trust > > *** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution > responding, opening attachments or clicking on links. *** > > I think it's important to establish the DC-level, > sea-level, the "reference level."=C2=A0 The societal inequi= ties > that exist are not because I and other "white guys" (i.e., > the "Richards" in the cartoon) were given some > */undeserved/*//privilege but, rather, because some > minorities and cultures (i.e., the Paula's in the cartoon) > have been unfairly denied */their /*due.=C2=A0 I think it v= ery > much matters where one perceives the unfairness to be. > > *I think you are missing the main point of the cartoons > that have been shared here. They are meant to illustrate > the point that our gender, racial, etc. identities and > economic realities shape our experiences and opportunities > in science and in the world. This benefits some people and > works against others. The =E2=80=9Cperceived unfairness=E2=80= =9D isn=E2=80=99t on > one side of the coin or the other, it is all a product of > the same system.* > > I find the self-loathing concept of "privilege" to be > misguided folly=C2=A0 I will not apologize for what I have > accomplished and for what I have.=C2=A0 It was not handed t= o > me.=C2=A0 For those who still don't understand, I'll say it > again. The social injustice lies in the fact that the less > fortunate (often minority cultures and ethnicities) have > been denied the opportunity and dignity they deserve as > human beings.=C2=A0 That is where we must focus our efforts= for > change. > > *I think this is also a misunderstanding - I don=E2=80=99t = think > that the concept of privilege invokes self-loathing. > Nobody is asking you to apologize and hate yourself for > whatever privileges you may have. Further, nobody is > saying that you have not worked hard for your > accomplishments. My understanding of acknowledging > privilege is that it is about humility rather than > self-loathing. For example, understanding that my path in > life and in my career may have looked different and > involved more obstacles if I were a person of color, > queer, disabled, etc. You can still be proud of your > accomplishments and your hard work while acknowledging > this. I also don=E2=80=99t think acknowledging privilege is= the > end goal in these discussions or an exercise unto itself, > but a necessary step in the process of beginning to tackle > the social injustices that you mention above. If we cannot > first admit that these factors play a role in our > trajectories, then it is hard to get any further in > enacting change - we are blind to what we are trying to > tackle.* > > It is trivially true to say that, in any field, in any > vocation, in any hierarchy, there are biases that come > into play.=C2=A0 That's because they are all human endeavor= s.=C2=A0 > Matters of degree count!=C2=A0 In our field of auditory > science-- and this is after all the Auditory List-- others > here have asserted that discriminatory factors */must /*be > at play to a */substantial degree/*. I think that is > patently false and my observations across decades support > that belief. > > *You cannot say that because you have not experienced or > witnessed discrimination in this field that it does not > exist. All you can say is that you have not experienced or > witnessed it. Other people on this thread are telling you > that their experiences have been different (and citing > literature that points to the existence of bias and > discrimination at large). Again, it is important to listen > to and acknowledge the experiences of other people if we > want to address social injustice. People from different > demographic backgrounds can have radically different > experiences of the same community. You can simultaneously > take pride in your field and your community and want to > make it better.* > > Some of you have acted as "scientists" drawing conclusions > on the basis of essentially no evidence when you have > implied that I, personally, must have a myopic view > because you assume that I'm just another fairly successful > old white guy.=C2=A0 Shame on you.=C2=A0 You know nothing o= f my > history and that of my family. You commit the genetic > fallacy, that of evaluating an idea on the basis of */who > /*generated the idea, rather than on the merits of the > idea, /per se/.=C2=A0 In so doing, you commit the very sin = that > you decry so vociferously in self-righteous fashion! > > *It seems that most people are replying directly to what > you said, point-by-point, not assuming that you must be > myopic because you are, as you describe, a =E2=80=9Cfairly > successful old white guy=E2=80=9D. **=F0=9F=98=8A * > > I suggest that you read this excellent work > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.penguinrandomhouse.= com/books/696856/woke-racism-by-john-mcwhorter/__;!!Cn_UX_p3!mth3_BPlc7Ts= aCwG6Fez_ufiHVy_INKv0r3PU3I8KlFF88Mx_Qloe66OaO-NjlpyLdKM4zoYEz0NpSlG0tRio= JBgeweVdH8f3vSxx7WGig$> > by the brilliant linguist, John McWhorter. > > This began as a discussion of open-access dissemination of > scientific results.=C2=A0 I hope, if this thread continues = at > all, it will return to that topic, a topic that is most > appropriate for the Auditory List. > > *I don=E2=80=99t think that these topics are inappropriate = and are > actually very important and beneficial to discuss.* > > Les > > *From: *AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception > <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Les Bernstein > <lbernstein@xxxxxxxx> > *Date: *Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:10 AM > *To: *AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> > *Subject: *[External] Re: arXiv web of trust > > I think it's important to establish the DC-level, > sea-level, the "reference level."=C2=A0 The societal inequi= ties > that exist are not because I and other "white guys" (i.e., > the "Richards" in the cartoon) were given some > */undeserved/*//privilege but, rather, because some > minorities and cultures (i.e., the Paula's in the cartoon) > have been unfairly denied */their /*due.=C2=A0 I think it v= ery > much matters where one perceives the unfairness to be. > > I find the self-loathing concept of "privilege" to be > misguided folly=C2=A0 I will not apologize for what I have > accomplished and for what I have.=C2=A0 It was not handed t= o > me.=C2=A0 For those who still don't understand, I'll say it > again.=C2=A0 The social injustice lies in the fact that the > less fortunate (often minority cultures and ethnicities) > have been denied the opportunity and dignity they deserve > as human beings.=C2=A0 That is where we must focus our effo= rts > for change. > > It is trivially true to say that, in any field, in any > vocation, in any hierarchy, there are biases that come > into play.=C2=A0 That's because they are all human endeavor= s. > Matters of degree count!=C2=A0 In our field of auditory > science-- and this is after all the Auditory List-- others > here have asserted that discriminatory factors */must /*be > at play to a */substantial degree/*. I think that is > patently false and my observations across decades support > that belief. > > Some of you have acted as "scientists" drawing conclusions > on the basis of essentially no evidence when you have > implied that I, personally, must have a myopic view > because you assume that I'm just another fairly successful > old white guy. Shame on you.=C2=A0 You know nothing of my > history and that of my family.=C2=A0 You commit the genetic > fallacy, that of evaluating an idea on the basis of */who > /*generated the idea, rather than on the merits of the > idea, /per se/. In so doing, you commit the very sin that > you decry so vociferously in self-righteous fashion! > > I suggest that you read this excellent work > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.penguinrandomhouse.= com/books/696856/woke-racism-by-john-mcwhorter/__;!!Cn_UX_p3!mth3_BPlc7Ts= aCwG6Fez_ufiHVy_INKv0r3PU3I8KlFF88Mx_Qloe66OaO-NjlpyLdKM4zoYEz0NpSlG0tRio= JBgeweVdH8f3vSxx7WGig$>by > the brilliant linguist, John McWhorter. > > This began as a discussion of open-access dissemination of > scientific results.=C2=A0 I hope, if this thread continues = at > all, it will return to that topic, a topic that is most > appropriate for the Auditory List. > > Les > > On 6/4/2023 9:24 PM, Svirsky, Mario wrote: > > *** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution > responding, opening attachments or clicking on links. *= ** > > I have a small contribution to the very interesting > conversation between Matt Winn and Les Bernstein. > > I recommend those of you who are also interested in > this conversation watch =E2=80=9CPicture a Scientist=E2= =80=9D, which > is on Netflix in the U.S. until June 12. It is a > fascinating description of some of the obstacles faced > by women in general and black women in particular, in > academia. > > I agree with Les that, ideally, status as a researcher > should be earned by a person=E2=80=99s contributions to= their > field. The problem is that in the real world women get > fewer resources and less recognition than men given > the same intellect and productivity. Ditto for > minorities. =E2=80=9CPicture a Scientist=E2=80=9D doesn= =E2=80=99t even get > into the issues of class, nationality, or able > bodiedness, which are also important. > > Or instead of watching Picture a Scientist (which, > after all, will take you 103 minutes), you could > invest just two minutes in reading the cartoon below. > About the concept of having things handed to you on a > plate (or =E2=80=9Cbeing born on third base and thinkin= g you > hit a triple=E2=80=9D, a quote attributed to Barry Swit= zer, 1986). > > Mario A. Svirsky, Ph.D. > > Noel L. Cohen Professor of Hearing Science, > > Professor of Otolaryngology (School of Medicine) and > Neural Science > > Vice-Chairman for Research > > Department of Otolaryngology > > *Address:* > > Dept. of Otolaryngology *Phone *(direct)*:* 212-263-721= 7 > > NYU=C2=A0Langone Medical Center *Fax:* 212-263-7604 or > 212-263-8257 > > 550 First Ave., NBV-5E5 > > New York, NY 10016 > > Pronouns: he, him, his > > ** > > *CONFIDENTIAL - NYU SCHOOL OF MEDICINE SENSITIVE DOCUME= NT* > > ** > > =E2=80=9CThis email message, including any attachments,= is for > the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain information that is proprietary, confidential, > and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution > is prohibited. If you have received this email in > error please notify the sender by return email and > delete the original message. Please note, the > recipient should check this email and any attachments > for the presence of viruses. The organization accepts > no liability for any damage caused by any virus > transmitted by this email.=E2=80=9D > > --=20 > > *Leslie R. Bernstein, Ph.D. | *Professor Emeritus > > Depts. of Neuroscience and Surgery (Otolaryngology) | > UConn School of Medicine > 263 Farmington Avenue, Farmington, CT 06030-3401 > Office: 860.679.4622 | Fax: 860.679.2495 > > --=20 > > *Leslie R. Bernstein, Ph.D. | *Professor Emeritus > > Depts. of Neuroscience and Surgery (Otolaryngology) | UConn School > of Medicine > 263 Farmington Avenue, Farmington, CT 06030-3401 > Office: 860.679.4622 | Fax: 860.679.2495 > --=20 *Leslie R. Bernstein, Ph.D. **| *Professor Emeritus Depts. of Neuroscience and Surgery (Otolaryngology) | UConn School of=20 Medicine 263 Farmington Avenue, Farmington, CT 06030-3401 Office: 860.679.4622 | Fax: 860.679.2495 --------------0AaiNQCv9lFV5nr3iFHwpmxL Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------JphL3je4IrRCF526UPlzeNSp" --------------JphL3je4IrRCF526UPlzeNSp Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by edgeum3.it.mcgill.ca id 35AIowm7069284 <html><head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> </head> <body> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Helvetica, Ar= ial, sans-serif">It is most unfortunate that you do not understand the distinctions between a simple difference between two values and the case when one is a reference. If Fred earns market value for his work and John does not, it is not the case that Fred is privileged. Fred and others should work to ensure t= hat John is paid market value as well. If you still fail or ref= use to grasp the difference, then I cannot help you.<br> <br> Indeed, the use of "privileged" implies it is undeserve= d. Thank you for making my point! I do not have privilege. Rat= her, I believe I have been treated fairly. The sad truth is that others have not been treated fairly and are not being treated fairly. I never suggested that such societal inequities and injustices are irrelevant simply because some do not face them.&n= bsp; That's your invention. I did say, that, in our field, I do = not think such injustices are substantive. It is not for me to acceded to your insistence that I prove the null hypothesis. = ; It is, rather, incumbent upon you to demonstrate that, in our field, such injustice exists in substantive fashion.<br> <br> This is not about allies or "sides." Your thinkin= g reflects the corruption wrought by polarization. I do not deny the socie= tal ills identified. I simply have a different view of how they arose and persist. That they should be addressed is undenia= ble, as I see it. Still, this is the Auditory List. I limi= ted my comments regarding the existence of injustices (or lack thereof), to our field.<br> </font><br> On 6/10/2023 12:50 PM, Lesicko, Alexandria wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:BL0PR04MB4961F9DC11B2FDD473B58F= 3BA456A@xxxxxxxx"> =20 <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style><![endif]--> <style>@xxxxxxxx {font-family:Helvetica; panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}@xxxxxxxx {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}@xxxxxxxx {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}@xxxxxxxx {font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"; panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}@xxxxxxxx {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}@xxxxxxxx {font-family:Papyrus; panose-1:2 11 6 2 4 2 0 2 3 3;}@xxxxxxxx {font-family:"Helvetica Neue"; panose-1:2 0 5 3 0 0 0 2 0 4;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;}span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;}p.p1, li.p1, div.p1 {mso-style-name:p1; margin:0in; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica Neue";}p.p2, li.p2, div.p2 {mso-style-name:p2; margin:0in; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica Neue";}span.apple-converted-space {mso-style-name:apple-converted-space;}.MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;}div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;}</style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> <div style=3D"background-color:#D5EAFF; padding:.8em; "> <div style=3D"font-size:12pt; color:#ff0000; text-align: center; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> *** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution responding, opening attachments or clicking on links. ***</div> </div> <div> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"p1">There is no difference. By analogy: =E2=80=9Cit= is ok to say that 3 is 5 less than 8 but we mustn=E2=80=99t suggest th= at 8 is 5 more than 3.=E2=80=9D No matter what phrasing of it makes y= ou feel comfortable, you are referring to the same gap of 5, the same inequity in access to resources, support, etc. There is no such thing as <i>deserved</i> privilege. It would be very weird to say, =E2=80=9CI deserved to be born white=E2=80= =9D or =E2=80=9CI deserved to be born a man.=E2=80=9D Privilege can stem from circumstances outside of our control. Regardless, those of us who were born with it still benefit from it. That does not mean, for example, that I must hate myself to atone for it, nor does it mean that everything I have accomplished in my life is a direct cause of my whiteness and must be reduced to this factor. But it does mean that I very likely had an easier time in my life and my career than I would have had I been born otherwise. I think recognizing that is the first step in having more supportive and less harmful interactions with the people around me who come from different backgrounds with different lived experiences.<span = class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"p2"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"p1">To those suggesting that these issues are irrelevant to them because they have succeeded in the face of obstacles, you are again missing the point. Your personal experience is not universal, and one example of success does not negate the fact that others suffer the consequences of bias and discrimination. If you work in science, you are part of an international community made up of people from diverse backgrounds, meaning these issues are relevant to you and the manner in which you engage with other scientists. Further, by saying that these issues are non-existent, trivial, or irrelevant, you are sending a message to anyone in your field who may experience bias or discrimination that they cannot come to you for support and allyship, because you have already minimized or devalued their experiences. Thank you to Matt, Mario, David, Ken, and everyone else on this thread who have demonstrated allyship - one benefit of having these conversations out in the open is that members of the community know who they can turn to in the face of such issues.<span class=3D"apple-converted-spa= ce"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&n= bsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&n= bsp;</o:p></span></p> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><spa= n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">A= UDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:AUDITOR= Y@xxxxxxxx"><AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx></a> on behalf of Vani Rajendran <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mail= to:vani.g.rajendran@xxxxxxxx"><vani.g.rajendran@xxxxxxxx></a><br> <b>Date: </b>Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 4:37 AM<br> <b>To: </b><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"= mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:AUDITOR= Y@xxxxxxxx"><AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx></a><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [External] Re: arXiv web of trust<o:p= ></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">I'm sorry if I'm being thick but what exactly is the difference?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt"><o:p= > </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">If t= he cards are being stacked against rather than in favor... ok... but who benefits from the stacking? Who decides the stacking?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt"><o:p= > </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">Vani= <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt"><o:p= > </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt"><o:p= > </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt"><o:p= > </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">O= n Fri, Jun 9, 2023, 22:11 Les Bernstein <<a href=3D"= mailto:lbernstein@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" cl= ass=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">lbernstein@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p= t;font-family:Helvetica">I agree with Ken's views, save for this statement:<= br> <br> <i>The cards are stacked in favor of those with privilege...<br> <br> </i>No, the cards are stacked <b><i>against </i><= /b>those unfairly denied opportunity and dignity. Th= e difference is both non-trivial and crucial.<br> <br> Les<br> </span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><br> On 6/9/2023 4:12 PM, Ken Grant wrote:<o:p></o:p><= /span></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0= pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:center;b= ackground:#D5EAFF" align=3D"center"> <span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:red">*** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution responding, opening attachments or clicking on links. ***<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size= :12.0pt">Thank you Alexandria for expressing what it means to have systemic obstacles and barriers to success throughout our society. Folks = got upset when the Black Lives Matter movement took off because they were wondering "don't White Lives Matter as well"= ;. Anyone who felt this way misunderstood the en= tire enterprise. Nobody ever claimed that white lives don't matter, or matter more, or matter less. A good friend suggested that, if the Black Lives Matter movement had printed signs that read "Black Lives Matter Too". While I understood his po= int and that I can see how this might have helped white male americans feel better, this too misses the point. Centuries of inequities do not get wiped away in an instant. Declaring racism over is a monstrous error. Some scientists rise = to the top of their fields by working very very hard. But as the cartoon displayed, not all children, adolescents, or teens have the same opportunities. The cards are stacked in favor of those with privilege, and your comment that recognizing this fact might make us more willing and able to consider these systemic obstacles.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.= 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size= :11.0pt">On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 12:15=E2=80=AFAM Bernstein,Leslie &= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lbernstein@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-se= nd=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">lbernstein@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:soli= d #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon= t-size:11.0pt">I disagree. I think I understand = the points and the reality quite well. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f= ont-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f= ont-size:11.0pt">Les <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-alig= n:center" align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> <hr width=3D"53%" size=3D"0" align=3D"c= enter"> </span></div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bott= om:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span styl= e=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> "Lesicko, Alexandria" <<a href=3D"mailto:= Alexandria.Lesicko@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-s= end=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">Alexandria.Lesicko@xxxxxxxx= ine.upenn.edu</a>><br> <b>Date:</b> Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 5:06 PM<= br> <b>To:</b> "Bernstein,Leslie"= <<a href=3D"mailto:lbernstein@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-= send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">lbernstein@xxxxxxxx</a>>= , <a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= .CA" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-fre= etext">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [External] Re: arXiv web of trust<o:p></o:p></span></p= > <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-al= ign:center;background:#D5EAFF" align=3D"center"> <span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color= :red">*** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution responding, opening attachments or clicking on links. ***<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p>I think it's important to establish the DC-level, sea-level, the "reference level."&nb= sp; The societal inequities that exist are not because I and other "white guys" (i.e., the "Richard= s" in the cartoon) were given some <b><i>undeserved</i></b><i> </i>pri= vilege but, rather, because some minorities and cultures (i.e., the Paula's in the cartoon) have been unfairly denied <b><i>their </i></b>due. I th= ink it very much matters where one perceives the unfairness to be.<o:p= ></o:p></p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p><b>I think you are missing the main point of the cartoons that have been shared here. They are meant to illustrate the point that our gender, racial, etc. identities and economic realities shape our experiences and opportunities in science and in the world. This benefits some people and works against others. The =E2=80=9Cperceived unfairness= =E2=80=9D isn=E2=80=99t on one side of the coin or the other, it is all a product of the same system.</b><o:p></o:p></= p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p>I find the self-loathing concept of "privilege" to be misg= uided folly I will not apologize fo= r what I have accomplished and for what I have. It was not hande= d to me. For those who still don't understand, I'll say it again. = ; The social injustice lies in the fact that the less fortunate (often minority cultures and ethnicities) have been denied the opportunity and dignity they deserve as human beings. That= is where we must focus our efforts for change.<o:p></o:p></p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p><b>I think this is also a misunderstanding - I don=E2=80=99= t think that the concept of privilege invokes self-loathing. Nobody is asking you to apologize and hate yourself for whatever privileges you may have. Further, nobody is saying that you have not worked hard for your accomplishments. My understanding of acknowledging privilege is that it is about humility rather than self-loathing. For example, understanding that my path in life and in my career may have looked different and involved more obstacles if I were a person of color, queer, disabled, etc. You can still be proud of your accomplishments and your hard work while acknowledging this. I also don=E2= =80=99t think acknowledging privilege is the end goal in these discussions or an exercise unto itself, but a necessary step in the process of beginning to tackle the social injustices that you mention above. If we cannot first admit that these factors play a role in our trajectories, then it is hard to get any further in enacting change - we are blind to what we are trying to tackle.</b><o:p></o= :p></p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p>It is trivially true to say that, in any field, in any vocation, in any hierarchy, there are biases that come into play. That's because they are all human endeavors. Matters of degree count! In our field of audito= ry science-- and this is after all the Auditory List-- others here have asserted that discriminatory factors <b><i>must </i></b>be at play to a <b><i>sub= stantial degree</i></b>. I think that is patently false and my observations across decades support that belief.<o:p></o:p></p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p><b>You cannot say that because you have not experienced or witnessed discrimination in this field that it does not exist. All you can say is that you have not experienced or witnessed it. Other people on this thread are telling you that their experiences have been different (and citing literature that points to the existence of bias and discrimination at large). Again, it is important to listen to and acknowledge the experiences of other people if we want to address social injustice. People from different demographic backgrounds can have radically different experiences of the same community. You can simultaneously take pride in your field and your community and want to make it better.</b><o= :p></o:p></p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p>Some of you have acted as "scientists" drawing conc= lusions on the basis of essentially no evidence when you have implied that I, personally, must have a myopic view because you assume that I'm just another fairly successful old white guy. Sha= me on you. You know nothing of m= y history and that of my family. = ; You commit the genetic fallacy, that of evaluating an idea on the basis of <b><i>who </i></b>generated the idea, rather than on the merits of the idea, <i>per se</i>. In s= o doing, you commit the very sin that you decry so vociferously in self-righteous fashion!<o:p></o:p><= /p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p><b>It seems that most people are replying directly to what you said, point-by-point, not assuming that you must be myopic because you are, as you describe, a =E2=80=9Cfairly succe= ssful old white guy=E2=80=9D. </b><b><span style=3D"font-family:&= quot;Apple Color Emoji"">=F0=9F=98=8A= </span> </b><o:p></o:p></p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p>I suggest that you read <a href=3D= "https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/6968= 56/woke-racism-by-john-mcwhorter/__;!!Cn_UX_p3!mth3_BPlc7TsaCwG6Fez_ufiHV= y_INKv0r3PU3I8KlFF88Mx_Qloe66OaO-NjlpyLdKM4zoYEz0NpSlG0tRioJBgeweVdH8f3vS= xx7WGig$" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true"> this excellent work</a> by the brilliant linguist, John McWhorter.<o:p></o:p></p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p>This began as a discussion of open-access dissemination of scientific results. I hope, i= f this thread continues at all, it will return to that topic, a topic that is most appropriate for the Auditory List.<o:p></o:p></p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p><b>I don=E2=80=99t think that thes= e topics are inappropriate and are actually very important and beneficial to discuss.</b><o:p></= o:p></p> <p> <o:p></o:p></p> <p>Les<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-m= argin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:1= 1.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-m= argin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:1= 1.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:= solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso= -margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12= .0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-= size:12.0pt;color:black">AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <<a href=3D"mailt= o:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" cl= ass=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a>> on behalf of Les Bernstein <<a href=3D"mailto:lbernstei= n@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-l= ink-freetext">lbernstein@xxxxxxxx</a>><br> <b>Date: </b>Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:10 AM<br> <b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:AU= DITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D= "moz-txt-link-freetext">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= LISTS.MCGILL.CA" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-= txt-link-freetext">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>[External] Re: arXiv web of trust</span><s= pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso= -margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size= :11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">I think it's important to establish the DC-level, sea-level, the "reference level." The societal inequities that exist are not because I and other "white guys" (i.e., the "Ric= hards" in the cartoon) were given some <b><i>undeserved</i></b><i> </i= >privilege but, rather, because some minorities and cultures (i.e., the Paula's in the cartoon) have been unfairly denied <b><i>their </i></b>due. = I think it very much matters where one perceives the unfairness to be.<br> <br> I find the self-loathing concept of "privilege"= ; to be misguided folly I will no= t apologize for what I have accomplished and for what I have. It was not handed t= o me. For those who still d= on't understand, I'll say it again. The social injusti= ce lies in the fact that the less fortunate (often minority cultures and ethnicities) have been denied the opportunity and dignity they deserve as human beings. That is whe= re we must focus our efforts for change.<br> <br> It is trivially true to say that, in any field, in any vocation, in any hierarchy, there are biases that come into play. That's because they are all human endeavors.&n= bsp; Matters of degree count! = In our field of auditory science-- and this is after all the Auditory List-- others here have asserted that discriminatory factors <b><i>mu= st </i></b>be at play to a <b><i>substantial degree</i></b= >. I think that is patently false and my observations across decades support that belief.<br= > <br> Some of you have acted as "scientists" drawing conclusions on the basis of essentially no evidence when you have implied that I, personally, must have a myopic view because you assume that I'm just another fairly successful old white guy. Shame on you. You know nothing of my history and that of my family. You commit = the genetic fallacy, that of evaluating an idea on the basis of <b><i>who </i></b>generated the idea, rather than on the merits of the idea, <i>per se</= i>. In so doing, you commit the very sin that you decry so vociferously in self-righteous fashion!<br> <br> I suggest that you read </span>= <span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__h= ttps:/www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/696856/woke-racism-by-john-mcwhort= er/__;!!Cn_UX_p3!mth3_BPlc7TsaCwG6Fez_ufiHVy_INKv0r3PU3I8KlFF88Mx_Qloe66O= aO-NjlpyLdKM4zoYEz0NpSlG0tRioJBgeweVdH8f3vSxx7WGig$" target=3D"_blank" mo= z-do-not-send=3D"true"><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica">this excelle= nt work</span></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helv= etica"> by the brilliant linguist, John McWhorter.<br> <br> This began as a discussion of open-access dissemination of scientific results. I hop= e, if this thread continues at all, it will return to that topic, a topic that is most appropriate for the Auditory List.<br> <br> Les<br> </span><span style=3D"font-size:1= 1.0pt"><br> On 6/4/2023 9:24 PM, Svirsky, Mario wrote:<o:p></o:p></span><= /p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt= ;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:center;backg= round:#D5EAFF" align=3D"center"> <span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt= ;color:red">*** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution responding, opening attachments or clicking on links. ***</span><span style=3D= "font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt">I have a small contribution to the very interesting conversation between Matt Winn and Les Bernstein.<o:p><= /o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt">I recommend those of you who are also interested in this conversation watch =E2=80=9CP= icture a Scientist=E2=80=9D, which i= s on Netflix in the U.S. until June 12. It is a fascinating description of some of the obstacles faced by women in general and black women in particular, in academia.<o:p>= </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt">I agree with Les that, ideally, status as a researcher should be earned by a person=E2=80=99s contrib= utions to their field. The problem is that in the real world women get fewer resources and less recognition than men given the same intellect and productivity. Ditto for minorities. =E2=80=9CPicture = a Scientist=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80= =99t even get into the issues of class, nationality, or able bodiedness, which are also important.<o:p></o:p></span><= /p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt">Or instead of watching Picture a Scientist (which, after all, will take you 103 minutes), you could invest just two minutes in reading the cartoon below. About the concept of having things handed to you on a plate (or =E2=80=9Cbeing born on third = base and thinking you hit a triple=E2=80=9D, a quote attr= ibuted to Barry Switzer, 1986).<o:p>= </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt"><img style=3D"width:7.3125in;height:10.177in" id=3D"m_-8064564= 293141944595m_7215464527543903297m_-8185742895131692532m_1902584751347570= 9m_115388476549226764_x005f_x0000_i1030" src=3D"cid:part1.pR5PAGld.GrQzX0= SR@xxxxxxxx" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" width=3D"702" height=3D"977" border= =3D"0"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt"><img style=3D"width:7.3125in;height:10.2395in" id=3D"m_-806456= 4293141944595m_7215464527543903297m_-8185742895131692532m_190258475134757= 09m_115388476549226764Picture_x0020_4" src=3D"cid:part2.M9kPbfmp.uDkjDP8J= @xxxxxxxx" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" width=3D"702" height=3D"983" border=3D= "0"><img style=3D"width:7.3125in;height:10.2291in" id=3D"m_-8064564293141= 944595m_7215464527543903297m_-8185742895131692532m_19025847513475709m_115= 388476549226764Picture_x0020_5" src=3D"cid:part3.uaJ2nW7a.J1f3KZod@xxxxxxxx= du" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" width=3D"702" height=3D"982" border=3D"0"><o= :p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt"><img style=3D"width:7.3125in;height:10.5625in" id=3D"m_-806456= 4293141944595m_7215464527543903297m_-8185742895131692532m_190258475134757= 09m_115388476549226764Picture_x0020_3" src=3D"cid:part4.7HePe4UB.5IdKhyvV= @xxxxxxxx" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" width=3D"702" height=3D"1014" border=3D= "0"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:12.0pt;font-family:"Papyrus",sans-serif;color:black;backgrou= nd:white" lang=3D"IT">Mario A. 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