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Re: Rhythm perception
Dear List -
Following our earlier discussion, I contacted Tristan Jehan to see if he
had any examples of maracatu to listen to. He does, and they are
interesting - see his message below.
Also on his web site are some nice other examples including a James
Brown excerpt where there is no instrument playing on the downbeat.
(The example is to illustrate how Tristan's learning system can still
correctly locate the downbeat, as indicated by the "triangle" sound
mixed in with the example):
His parent page with other examples:
Many thanks to Tristan.
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:46:22 -0500
To: Dan Ellis <dpwe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Tristan Jehan <tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: downbeat
Here are some Maracatu examples. I also heard music from Africa, China,
Japan and other parts of Latin America that are also very confusing to
me, Western musician, although I play in a Brazilian band.
You might want to listen to these in that order and try to find the
downbeat without training.
Here is the basic rhythmic pattern that makes Maracatu:
On the very last drum sound you should be saying ONE while it cuts.
Here is a section of that example now actually starting on the downbeat:
Note that only the downbeat aligns with a loud bass drum sound.
The 2 other bass drum sounds are syncopated late.
Here is another variation around that same pattern, yet starting on
Might sound even more confusing.
Another test example, this time with singing. Without experience, I
believe it's easier to catch the downbeat by relying on the voice:
This is the kind of music that was part of my training set:
I fade in the audio here in order to avoid any bias based on the
Finally the result of that same excerpt with the "Maracatu model"
after a few seconds:
Here is full Maracatu song by the band Maracatu Estrela Brilhante for
For the experiment as presented in my paper, I used 6 of those songs
(each having a different tempo). They share some common rhythmic
patterns though, but you will notice that there's quite a few
variations in that one already.
Hope this helps.