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Re: Musician's IQ



I'm not sure of your point, Andy, since these are things which all musicians
must do.  I'm sure that no slight to drummers was intended.

Tom


Tom Brennan  KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP
web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Vermiglio, Andy wrote:

> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:59:47 -0700
> From: "Vermiglio, Andy" <AVermiglio@xxxxxxx>
> To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Musician's IQ
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> What do you call a drummer with only one stick...
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>     ....a conductor.
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> Drummers need to focus on a lot more than just the rhythm.  They also
> need to focus on the interactions between musicians, phrasing, counter
> phrasing, dynamics, the idiosyncrasies across musicians, audience
> reaction (or lack thereof), the comfort level of the singers (a slight
> tempo adjustment may be needed when the vocalist can't get out all of
> the words), balance, blend, technique, tone quality, tuning,
> psychoacoustical conflicts in the bands mix, reaction time, etc., etc.
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> Actually, it takes a good measure of skill and a reasonable intellect to
> be a drummer.
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> I'd keep them in your study.
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> Andy
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> House Ear Institute
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> From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception
> [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Harriet B. Jacobster, AuD
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:24 PM
> To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Musician's IQ
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> Some more thoughts (promised I'd have them).
> Drummers v keyboardists v wind players.  What are the differences among
> them and does this affect "IQ?"  Drummers (or in general percussionists)
> focus is on the rhythmic aspect of music.  Keyboardists have to
> coordinate two lines of music and two hands and extreme muscle fine
> muscle control.  Wind players have just one line of music and, well,
> less two-handed than keyboardists.
> And where conductors fit it?  They have to hear a multitude of timbres,
> notes, rhythms, etc., etc. Makes me dizzy.
> The variables are overwhelming.
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> More to follow, I'm sure.
> Harriet
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> Harriet B. Jacobster, Au.D.
> Board Certified in Audiology
> Lyric Audiology, pllc
> "Bringing Words and Music to Your Ears"
> hearingarts@xxxxxxx
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> Brian Gygi wrote:
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> "Musicians have a bigger IQ than other people."
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> Hmm...not the musicians *I* used to play with.  Certainly not the
> drummers.
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> Seriously, I don't see any reason to think that musicians would have
> *higher* IQs than "other people."  The mental abilities measured by the
> IQ - analytical thinking, memory capacity - are not unique to musicians.
> One might argue that you cannot be a good musician without them, but
> then you get into the slippery definition of what is a "good" musician,
> e.g., what are "right notes" (how about Charlie Parker when he was
> skroning)?  What is musicianship?
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> Of course classically trained musicians who have had hours of ear
> training, sight reading and been forced to memorize long pieces will
> likely score better on the IQ test than normal controls, but is that an
> ability related to being a musician or just a result of being forced to
> do mentally challenging tasks?  Are these people any more musicians than
> a naturally gifted musician who cannot sight read and is by most
> measures dumb as a post?
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> If you operationalize the definitions quite a bit you might get a
> testable hypothesis.  But my advice - don't test drummers.
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> Brian Gygi
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> Veterans Affairs Northern CAlifornia Health Care System
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> Martinez CA
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> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Daniel Ladwig [mailto:clarinetbuddy8@xxxxxxxxx]
> 	Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 01:10 PM
> 	To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 	Subject: Rethinking my psychology seminar project
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> I originally planned to do my project on intelligence differences
> between musicians and non-musicians..but I thought that was too fague
> and we already know that musicians have a bigger IQ then other people.
> I decided to do my study on..well here is my hypothesis: More persistent
> musicians have higher IQ's then less persistent musicians.
> So instead of looking at people who do and don't play music..we can look
> at people that both play but some musicians may be at reading, making
> the right sounds and putting a lot of musicianship into the music. Think
> of great musicians like Charlie Parker and Gene Krupa..just by listening
> to how they play, you must believe that they were geniuses.
> I was think of taking 25 good musicians and 25 not so good musicians and
> give them some kind of IQ test and playing ability test..not sure what
> kind yet..got any tips on that? There are probably factors involved?
> (maybe being lazy, not wanting to practice or wanting to be the
> best...other than a not so good musician's IQ.) Maybe some physiological
> and mentel aspects involved.
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> If not that idea, do you have any good ideas around that kind of field??
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> If you have any tips or ideas and places where I can get some research
> on these narrow topic PLEASE let me know! If you have any other good
> idea also please let me know!
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> I'm a psychology major at CSU Chico working on my BA right now. I plan
> to go to a grad school to get my Ph.D in Cognitive Neuroscience.
> Thank you!
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> ~Dan T. Ladwig
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