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Re: Beware of circles
No wonder they call them "vicious circles."
Brian Gygi, Ph.D.
Speech and Hearing Research
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From: Bruno L. Giordano [mailto:bruno.giordano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 02:46 PM
Subject: Beware of circles
I can't resist writing a methodological note about circles and wheels.
In the original posting by Michael, the wheel was conceived as a
Stating the obvious, and following up on Richard's note, for the
psychologist the circle can happen to be a concise and visually elegant
model of how humans organize a particular sensory/perceptual/cognitive
domain. Such a representation is often grounded in the construct of
similarity (objects that are close/far within the representation are
Now, my note is about those cases where circular representations are
extracted from the multidimensional scaling (MDS) analysis of behavioral
estimates of similarity. I have seen several of these.
What I have rarely seen pointed out is that popular MDS algorithms under
specific but not uncommon circumstances are prone to representing the
data as a circular (2D) or spherical (3D) structure, independently of
whether a circle/sphere is there or not. From my understanding, this MDS
modeling bias takes the name of "annular bias". A similar bias takes the
name of "horseshoe effect".
So, circles can be attractive, but there are times when we should beware
Bruno L. Giordano, Ph.D.
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Richard E Pastore wrote:
> What is the reasonable goal of finding an auditory circle analogy to the
> visual color circle?
> Although the discussion has focused on finding an auditory analogue
> to the color wheel, the discussion really has focused on the wheel.
> Color is an artifical system that represents wavelength, with a
> resulting representation of artificial "nonspectral hues" that do not
> correspond to wavelengths in the visible spectrum. Color space was
> defined using color mixing findings. The typical figure from those data
> is essentially a triangle with rounded corners. The three primary
> colors are at the three corners outside the space. If 400 and 700 nm
> ("blue" and "red") at maximum saturation are along the abscissa and
> roughly 520 nm at the apex of the triangle, the wavelengths of the
> visible spectrum runs along the outside from the 400 nm corner (blue)
> through the apex (green) to the 700 nm corner (red). The abscissa maps
> the non-spectral hues that are an artificial by-product of mixing the
> long and short wavelengths. The space is populated from the edge to the
> non-central region of total desaturation (white) by systematic
> decreasing saturation or spectral purity. Complimentary colors are the
> opposite ends of any line through "white." This 2-dimensional space is
> actually a cross-section of a 3-D representation, with the 3rd dimension
> being intensity or brightness.
> The edge from the apex to the long wavelength corner (700 nm)
> represents the opponent processing interaction between the long (red)
> and middle (green) primaries. The space becomes populated with the
> addition of the opponent processing between the short wavelength primary
> (Blue) and the combined long and middle primaries (Yellow = Red +
> Green). Because of the opponent neural coding that is driven by the
> breakdown of the light sensitive photopigments, the afterimages are the
> complimentary color of the original.
> The "classic color circle" is a simplified, stylizied version of the
> outer edge of the 2-D cross-section. It is round (a circle) that is
> unpopulated and with a gap to represent the non-spectral hue portion of
> color space - the circle is NOT complete.
> Now, back to the original question that prompted the discussion:
> What is the "auditory" circle intended to represent and in what way is
> it analogous to the color circle?
> Dick Pastore
> Richard E Pastore
> Distinguished Service Professor
> Department of Psychology
> Binghamton University
> Binghamton, NY 13902-6000
> Office: (607) 777-2539