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dear colleagues

there has now been more traffic about the job postings than there are job postings themselves!

The consensus is clearly that almost everyone (with the notable exception of the grumpy person who left anyway) is reasonably to very happy with job postings.

So: may I humbly propose that we leave the system as is since most people approve of it, and move on to discuss other matters?

Thank you

Robert

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Robert J. Zatorre, Ph.D.
Montreal Neurological Institute
3801 University St.
Montreal, QC Canada H3A 2B4
phone: 1-514-398-8903
fax: 1-514-398-1338
e-mail: robert.zatorre@xxxxxxxxx
web site: www.zlab.mcgill.ca

On 27/03/2012 01:24, Al Bregman wrote:
Hi Pawel,

Personally, I see no objection to "Position Sought" notices, if it helps
competent people to remain active in the field.

I have no idea about how many postings that would entail, but we can try
it out, asking people to use their discretion in not re-posting too
often. Again, members of the list could set their email software to
filter such messages out, if they didn't want to see them. People who
post availability notices should just be sure to start the Subject field
with the above phrase.

Al
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2012/3/26 PaweÅ KuÅmierek <pawel.kusmierek@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:pawel.kusmierek@xxxxxxxxx>>

    What about "Position sought"?
    Pawel

    On 26 March 2012 07:58, Al Bregman <al.bregman@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:al.bregman@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

        May I suggest that we try using the phrase "Position available"
        (without the quotes) as the first two words in the Subject field (no
        other constraints -- any words may follow), and see how it works
        out?

        If people decide, after a while, that this constraint on the
        first two

        words in the Subject field of job announcements is too onerous,
        we can
        drop the idea.

        Best to all,
        Al
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        Psychology Department, McGill University
        1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue
        Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.
        Office: Phone: (514) three-nine-eight-6103,

        Fax: (514) three-nine-eight-4896
        http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/
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        On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Stefan Muenkner
        <stefan.muenkner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:stefan.muenkner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
         > perhaps there is sort of a compromise here: If the listserv
        software could
         > be persuaded to accept mails at auditory-joboffers@.... and
        forward/send
         > that to the auditory list with an additional/changed label (like
         > [AUDITORY-POSITION] or [AUDITORY] [POSITION AVALAIBLE]) it
        would not
         > generate any more list maintenance work, and it would supply
        a reliable
         > label that could be sorted easily by message filters
         >
         >
         > I am not certain whether that's possible with the listserv
        software though .
         >
         >
         > Cheers,
         >
         > Stefan
         >
         > On 26.03.2012 05 <tel:26.03.2012%2005>:19, Al Bregman wrote:
         >> Hi Camille,
         >>
         >> I have two thoughts about your proposal of a separate list
        for job
         >> position notices:
         >>
         >> 1. It would require someone to set up and maintain such a
        list. Are
         >> you volunteering?
         >>
         >> 2. Job seekers would have to know that the list existed.
        Right now,
         >> the AUDITORY list is fairly well known. Also those of us who
         >> regularly read it will often re-direct the job notices to
        students and
         >> others who are not list members, and suggest that they join
        the list
         >> to receive future notices. This is one way that new people
        hear about
         >> the list.
         >>
         >> Cheers,
         >> Al
         >>
         >>
         >>
         >>
         >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Peres, S. Camille
        <PeresSC@xxxxxxxx <mailto:PeresSC@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
         >>> Another thought is to have a separate list serve for
        auditory related job postings. I know of at least two other
        organizations that do this.
         >>>
         >>> Cheers, Camille
         >>>
         >>> Sent from my iPhone
         >>>
         >>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:53 PM, "Al Bregman"
        <al.bregman@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:al.bregman@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
         >>>
         >>>> Hi Everybody,
         >>>> May I make the following suggestion to deal with the
        objection of some
         >>>> list members to receiving job notices? People who were
        posting a job
         >>>> or position opening could start the Subject line of their
        posting with
         >>>> the phrase "Position available". Those who didn't want to
        look at
         >>>> such postings could just set up a filter in their email
        programs to
         >>>> delete messages whose subject line contained this phrase
        or direct
         >>>> such messages to a separate folder.
         >>>> Best,
         >>>> Al
         >>>>
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         >>>> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor
         >>>> Psychology Department, McGill University
         >>>> 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue
         >>>> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.
         >>>> Office: Phone: (514) 398-6103 <tel:%28514%29%20398-6103>,
        Fax: (514) 398-4896 <tel:%28514%29%20398-4896>
         >>>> http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/
         >>>>
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         >>>>
         >>>>
         >>>>
         >>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Bruno L. Giordano
         >>>> <bruno.giordano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:bruno.giordano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
         >>>>> Some numbers are never a bad idea.
         >>>>>
         >>>>> Barry is right in observing an accelerating job-posting
        trend (see figure;
         >>>>> 2012 is rough expected number of messages with either job
        or position or
         >>>>> professor in subject). I was expecting a valley of death
        around 2008, but I
         >>>>> see only a tiny meaningless dip.
         >>>>>
         >>>>> This trend is comforting to myself and to many
        individuals: I do hope it
         >>>>> keeps up, at least until I find my dream job ;-)
         >>>>>
         >>>>> Bruno
         >>>>>
         >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
         >>>>> Bruno L. Giordano, PhD
         >>>>> Voice Neurocognition Laboratory (CCNi, Glasgow Univ) &
         >>>>> Affiliate member of Music Research Dept. (McGill Univ,
        MontrÃal)
         >>>>> URL: http://www.brunolgiordano.net
         >>>>>
         >>>>>
         >>>>> On 24/03/2012 10:42 PM, Marcelo Caetano wrote:
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> Hello everyone,
         >>>>>> I don`t want to be rude or create any problems, but I
        happen to think
         >>>>>> that if someone just wants to leave the list, all the
        person needs to do
         >>>>>> is follow the instructions onhttp://www.auditory.org/
        <http://www.auditory.org/> (copied below for
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> reference). I had the impression that Barry also wanted
        us to know the
         >>>>>> reason he chose to leave. Even though I don`t think this
        alone is a
         >>>>>> reason for remarks, I do believe it to be a good topic
        for discussion.
         >>>>>> Marcelo
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> PS. In time, I found my current postdoc position here
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> Joining and leaving the AUDITORY list
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> By joining the AUDITORY email list, you will receive all
        the postings
         >>>>>> via email, and you will be able to contribute to the
        discussions. You
         >>>>>> can join the list by filling in the form on the AUDITORY
        membership
         >>>>>> questionnaire <http://www.auditory.org/dpwe-bin/audform>.
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> Subscribed members can leave the AUDITORY list, or
        modify their current
         >>>>>> details (including email address) by visiting their
        private AUDITORY
         >>>>>> information edit page, and selecting the "no messages"
        option at the
         >>>>>> bottom of that page. Please refer to the message you
        received when
         >>>>>> joining the list for the URL of the edit page, or you
        can contact me to
         >>>>>> retrieve it for you
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
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         >>>>>> *De:* Al Bregman <al.bregman@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:al.bregman@xxxxxxxxx>>
         >>>>>> *Para:* AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >>>>>> *Enviadas:* Sexta-feira, 23 de MarÃo de 2012 9:41
         >>>>>> *Assunto:* Re: [AUDITORY] UNSUBSCRIBE
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> Dear Tony,
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> I think that all Barry requested was to be removed from
        the list, not
         >>>>>> that we discontinue the notices of available positions.
        I think we
         >>>>>> can honor his request without eliminating the job
        notices, which I
         >>>>>> agree are very useful.
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> Al
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
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         >>>>>> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor
         >>>>>> Psychology Department, McGill University
         >>>>>> 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue
         >>>>>> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.
         >>>>>> Office: Phone: (514) 398-6103
        <tel:%28514%29%20398-6103>, Fax: (514) 398-4896
        <tel:%28514%29%20398-4896>
         >>>>>> http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
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         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Tony Miller
         >>>>>> <antonio.miller@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:antonio.miller@xxxxxxxxx>
        <mailto:antonio.miller@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:antonio.miller@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
         >>>>>> > Easy to say for someone who hasn't had to look for a
        position since
         >>>>>> > 1971. I say keep the job postings. There is nothing
        frivolous about
         >>>>>> > getting students into academic or industrial positions.
         >>>>>> >
         >>>>>> > -Tony
         >>>>>> >
         >>>>>> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Barry Vercoe
        <bv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >>>>>> <mailto:bv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
         >>>>>> >> Please remove me from ALL Auditory mailing lists. It
        has become
         >>>>>> a jobs
         >>>>>> >> advertising list and is jamming up my mail box. This
        is too bad.
         >>>>>> >> -- barry vercoe, MIT
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>>
         >>>>>
         >
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